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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2004, 12:59:33 pm »
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I don't think I'm the one who needs a reality check now. I think pdaXrom team needs a reality check, if they can't estimate the release time for 2 days ahead.
You've got to be kidding! There are software professionals who have dedicated their entire careers to trying to devise systematic methods for software QA, determining release schedules, etc. Yet the only reliable way anyone has found to schedule an exact release date is to work the software to the point that it is completely ready to release, then announce a date and hold the software in a frozen state until the date arrives. No, features, bug fixes, or testing during that time or you may break/find something that causes you to delay the release. Of course if you do that, you end up sitting on a "finished" product for some length of time just so you can release it on a specific date.

Downloadable software is not like shrink-wrapped software. Shrink-wrapped software has to have disks, boxes, manuals, etc. manufactured and it's pretty easy to estimate how long that process is going to take. So it's not hard for someone like a commercial game publisher to say "we'll release this game on Dec 6th" and hit that date exactly because the code was actually finished two months before and was actually ready for end users when they announced the Dec 6th date.

Downloadable software is a whole different story. No one including the developers knows exactly when the last critical bug will be fixed until the last critical bug is fixed. Unless you want the developers to finish up a release and then sit on it for a week while they announce "we'll release this exactly one week from today" then you're going to have to learn to deal with missed release dates.

One of the driving philosophies behind open source software is "release early, release often". That does not lend itself to scheduled releases. The best one can do is exactly what the pdaXrom team did ... announce that they're planning to release on a certain date and then work like hell to meet it. Sometimes it works, often it doesn't. But either way it's a tool that results in huge forward progress (cause no one wants to miss the release). And people who've been in this business for any length of time know perfectly well that you don't schedule your life around planned release dates. When a developer says "I'm planning to release this weekend" you say to yourself "cool, maybe I'll get to play with it next weekend."

The stuff the pdaXrom guys are doing is absolutely wonderful. But let's face it ... it's a software distribution for a handheld computer. It's not like this stuff is controlling your pacemaker and every extra day you have to wait for an update is taking a year off your life. If the release does come out on schedule and you don't have time planed to play with it, then what's the harm in waiting until the opportunity presents itself. The software is not going anywhere.

I've been in the pdaXrom guys shoes and believe me it's emotionally painful to miss a release date. And although developers tend to grow pretty thick skin, it still hurts to read messages from someone who calls your planned release date a lie (which implies intentional deception). If the goal was "constructive criticism" then a message to the extent of "I wish you guys wouldn't publish release dates ... I can't handle the emotional rollercoaster" would be more than adequate. Trying to make the developers feel worse than they already do is not helpful and leads to covert development and abandoned projects and that's not what the open source movement is all about.

Sorry for the long rant, but as a long-time software developer, it pains me to see insensitivity and lack of patience from people who are benefiting from an open source software team's good will. My hat is off to the pdaXrom team for their hard work and dedication ... and I don't even use their software! Hang in there guys and keep up the good work

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« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2004, 01:10:10 pm »
Agreed.

Even with "paid for" software, a delay is not a hanging offence... This being free (except for donations/sponsership), I am happy to see that it is still being actively developed.

Will be in touch with cacko again soon to offer some more funds...
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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2004, 01:21:46 pm »
Well, let's close this flame-thread then. Thank you, Laze, that you took my (rather angry) posts well and you haven't started to flame and you understood what I wanted to tell.

Still offtopic, but here's my view about the donation and right thing:
I don't know why one buys a Zaurus, but I bought it because it uses Linux. I appreciate everybody's work, who made and make it! I appreciate all kernel hackers, people working on X, KDE, Gaim, Firefox and all the stuff I like. I haven't payed a cent for them but I think I have the same right to use them as everybody else.

Donation is for Sash, he needs it to work on the rom a lot (an therefor he haven't got time to earn money in other ways). That's it and that's all. I don't think he will be rich from these donations. And I think the main reason he works on the rom is because he finds joy in it. And that's the point. Free Software not equals "you-don't-have-to-pay-for-it", it means a lot more. Donation is a good thing, but it's only a way of appreciation. 'till pdaXrom remains free.

Thank you for reading this,
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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2004, 03:35:36 pm »
Hey didn't think pushing the deadline would cause such a riot ;-)

Btw. im currently working on fixing the stupid python settings tools - we have updated to the latest pyGTK - which causes alot of problems with the old python stuff - damm i beginning to hate this python stuff :-(

But anyway we still hope to have it all ready at the updated time date - so stay tuned.

Ps. I updated the donat-o-meter - thanks for supporting our work..
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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2004, 03:54:08 pm »
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I just made a donation and challenge all other pdaXrom users to go and do likewise!
This months's goal should be reached now  .
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« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2004, 04:26:00 pm »
Isn't this the pdaXrom team's second major release this year? I think it's phenomenal  this kind of development can happen so fast when a certain manufacturer of proprietary OS software that I will not name takes 2-4 years between major releases, and then has to scale back features in order to get the release out the door.

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« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2004, 05:13:56 pm »
Quick update - anyone who donates using Ikobo should notice that the donation won't be registered until we get the money "released" from Ikobo.. :-(
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« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2004, 06:38:15 pm »
I have $100/mo for a bug bounty.

Laze, I know I bug you too... but the release will be ready when it is.
I've been running 1.0.5 since last may.  I've waited a LONG time.
I'll continue to wait -- the good news is that there still IS development.

Laze -- will the pc pdaXrom crosscompile for the zaurus and use
qemu to do arm emu on the pc for things? (like sub-util compiles, etc).


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« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2004, 06:51:38 pm »
OK I'm sparing my old Libretto for pdaXrom-x86
but hey... what are the requirements? will it run on my old MMX Pentium-driven note PC?

well sorry to bug you, and I know that you guys will put it on the site or something when release arrives, so this is only a time-killing question

anyway, you guys are making zaurus go where no PDA has gone before.
keep up the great work!
#when RC6 is out, I'll try to sneak in xsystem3.5 or onscripter... hehe

oh, and I too think having a ML is good thing™ too.
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« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2004, 12:59:17 pm »
Well, if nothing else this thread should demonstrate how passionate everyone is about the pdaXrom and their Z's.  Additionally, it seems to have stimulated a flurry of donations on the pdaXrom site, a very good thing.

It's amusing to see how many members are listed viewing at the bottom of this thread. I've been checking every chance I get.

So Laze, I hate to ask and distract you from your work but ....how's the bug squashing coming?

No need to give actual date  , just "Only a couple bugs left" or "got a few more difficult to resolve than anticipated"  would be great.

Thanks,

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« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2004, 02:47:40 pm »
I just fixed the finally bugs in some of the stupid python programs... So timeline is going to hold - according to danish time and at 23.59 :-)

Now we have for compiling and stuff to be downloaded from Russia to Denmark and then i have add it to sites and do some more stuff.. So at latest sometime at 1-2 tonight CET.
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« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2004, 03:00:53 pm »
Laze : don't worry, keep on doing your wonderful rom, the worldis not going to stop spinning around if tyou are a bit late.

Congrats for your hard work. You and your team are serious and good workers.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2004, 04:46:11 pm »
Status update

 Sash has been awake for like 40 hours now and so have I almost - so now we will sleep for a couple of hours while the ROM is compiling. Then the final builded ROM we will be tested once more - just to check that we didn't forget some of the many different elements.
 
Some of the deluxe-bonus-features (like configuring program launching for shortcut hardware keys) might not make into this build but will maybe released as IPK updates later - but if we have the time+energy we might make it all into the release.

Night, night.. :-)
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« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2004, 09:34:01 pm »
RIING
Time to wake up !!!

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« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2004, 10:03:27 pm »
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Sash has been awake for like 40 hours now and so have I almost
You guys are awesome!!!   Take a few extra hours, we know it will be worth the wait.
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