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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2004, 05:09:03 pm »
datebk5: easy to use. fast (kopi is so slow...). But the best is the well though user interface: to add something in the schedule, you just click on the line of the hour you want it, and start to type. no confirmation, no special panel, no nothing - unless you want it and click on some menu. that's efficiency.

browsing between the day/week/month view is blazing fast too. datebk5 is miles ahead of anything I've tried, on any pda.

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2004, 12:11:59 pm »
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I think cvmiller is right,

I think my real question is:


2. Programming. I have read alot of threads conscerning Java on the Z. Can you run say Freemind on the Z? How about the JPluck java app? Do they run or are they to bloated for J2me? What about Python Support, is it the full python or small subset like in palm OS? I am starting to mess with Python. Is smallbasic implemended on the Z like in Linux/win/palm OS? Thanks.
It always nice to be right ;-)

I haven't done any Java programming, but a key difference between the SL-6000 and previous Zaurii is that the SL-6000 has a real Sun JVM on it, as opposed to Joede. Of course this can be a problem if you want to run the older java stuff designed to run on the SL-6000 (like jSolun).

But if you writing you own stuff, and know how to set the classpath and all, then you should be happy with the JVM on the SL-6000.

I have done Python programming on the Zaurus, and it works great! The maintainer has changed since I last did any python, but it isn't hard to find it. And the nice thing about Python is that the pyc files are platform independent.  So if you want to use something you don't have just copy the pyc file over, and you'll have it!

I haven't played with basic in ages, and why would you if you have python...

Also there is PHP for the Zaurus as well (with Apache), so yet another programming language to use on the Zaurus.

I hope this answers #2 for you.

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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2004, 01:42:37 pm »
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datebk5: easy to use. fast (kopi is so slow...). But the best is the well though user interface: to add something in the schedule, you just click on the line of the hour you want it, and start to type. no confirmation, no special panel, no nothing - unless you want it and click on some menu. that's efficiency.

browsing between the day/week/month view is blazing fast too. datebk5 is miles ahead of anything I've tried, on any pda.
Hmm... I'm using Kx/pi on a C860 and, while some of the more complex screens are a bit slow the first time they're drawn, the speed is certainly not unbearable.  I guess it would be a bit slower on the 5x00 machines.  The 6k has a faster processor such as the C860 though, right?  So the speed should be about the same.  So, I guess this is subjective.  It's not unbearable for me at all.  Heck, I used to use the tkc pims and they're considerably slower (until, perhaps, the latest releases)!

Also, many shortcuts for creating events by clicking on dates, etc., are implemented in KO/pi.  For example, from the day view, double-tap on the box to the right of the time and you can quickly enter an event for the corresponding time.  If your tapping is accurate enough, you can even choose a 15 minute period within the hour!  The same works from the month view (albeit, using a default time) and I assume the others as well (haven't tried).

I presume there must be other things that you left out though?.....

~ray

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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2004, 03:57:15 pm »
hard to say specifically- try datebk5 on a palm. It's a great experience -simple to use for simple things, yet powerfull if you want to do complex things. I never really experienced  that on the zaurus - except with qualendar

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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2005, 05:30:07 pm »
Today after months of e-mails and phone calls I have finally recieved a straight answer. Per Ken Shaw from Sharp they discontinued sales as of 60 days ago and do not plan to come back to US PDA market. So if you were thinking of buying the SL-6000 now is the time. We have already had to raise prices because we simply can't find them like we could months ago. Sorry for the bad news looks like we will be getting them from Japan once again.
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2005, 07:01:26 pm »
in the near future, sharp will come back.

the USA is technologically and socially backwards compared to our asian counterpart.  It will take time for us to embrace these new technologies.  I saw a show about a comparison of amercans and the japanese.  Our social structure is pretty much stuck in oldschool while they are more advanced meaning, their society actually uses technology to communicate and read.  We are still stuck to the phone poll and make phone calls from a phone booth and read off books.

We are catching up though and when that time comes, they will come back.

What i want to know is if the zaurus usergroup community is going to stick around and translate, make software, and produce stuff that will work off the sharp linux line of pda's?

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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2005, 07:51:40 pm »
Cresho.
 thanks for the response. I believe this answer to be "yes". The zaurus line is meeting the demands of  the IT community while is also becoming popular among everyday users. I am working with a company now who is into medical billing and will be developing software to use with the 3000 series to give to Doctors as a gift upon joining on. My guess is they will use this for tracking info and billing inquiries as well as an organizer so to speak. They forsee 100's of these units in the first quarter so I think this line is growing in the US but with Sharps "no marketing solution" it can't be embraced because its not widely known. You can't beat the look of the Zaurus adn I haven't read a post where people are unhappy about what they are getting once you have one can you really live without it
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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2005, 05:45:16 am »
Will the Zaurus community stick around?  I think that's a definite YES

Will people still write Zaurus software?  MAYBE
With the ability to run other ROMs or Debian (Pocketworkstation) on the Zaurus, there's actually little need to create custom Qtopia applications, when you can run standard X software.

For example, the Qtopia version of GAIM is way out of date, but if you use Pocketworkstation, you can always apt-get the latest version and just use it  

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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2005, 05:18:41 pm »
Yea but no but yea but --- Pocket workstation is freekin 'orrible

I use Debian all the time (and adore it). PW represents poor example of Debians cababilities and imho really isn't suitable for the Z x-factor.

Or maybe I just couldn't get it right  
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2005, 06:07:02 pm »
There will most likely be Qtopia pda applications being developed. There will also be Qtopia phone applications being developed, these will be easily made to run on qtopia pda.

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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2005, 11:53:13 am »
But only in Japan, if we look at the Z.

If I can get something that looks like a Treo, with a 320x320 resolution, inbuilt SD, Wifi and Bluetooth, and runs Linux and has an Opie release, we could have a real winner.

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2005, 03:28:03 pm »
Maybe so, but I'd hate to lose my big keyboard and screen. I've used Palm for years - starting with a Palm Pro and ending with a Clie TJ35 (320x320, 200mhz Strongarm, 32mb Ram). For 3 of those years I had 5xxx Zaurii, and while they were fun they weren't very practical.

1 week after getting the 860 and discovering Ko/Pi I was gone. 640x480 screen, strong battery life, and a keyboard I could literally use for hours at a time. (I spent almost 5 hours doing some writing on my 860 on my flight back from Japan) . I don't *want* a PDA with a smaller res screen anymore.  

Sharp shot themselves in the foot in North America. They gave up on the consumer market after lackluster sales of the 5x00 series (with the weak software, poor battery life and so-so screens).

The 6000, were it to have been released as a reasonably priced, reasonably sized (aka non-hardened) unit would probably have done much better in the consumer market: It had more polished apps, better battery and screen, and a more complete feature set with the wireless and USB host. Unfortunately what we got was an overpriced and sized Enterprise marketed brick.

Now, dismayed by poor sales, they refuse to even try selling their truly innovative clamshell designs here at all. AARGH!

The Qtopia platform isn't dead. I don't forsee Sharp abandoning the C series in Japan any time soon - the 860s were for sale just about everywhere over there when I visited last October. The new Archos Jukebox runs qtopia (but only has a 320x480 screen - Double AARGH!), and there's the new Phone version to consider.

I suppose it's somewhat comforting to note that if I want a new Z badly enough, I can get one. Either by grey market import, or a leisurely 10 1/2 hr hop across the Pacific.
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2005, 07:51:10 am »
Actually you can.  Take a look at the Motorola e680.  It doesn't have wifi, but it's a telephone as well.  I'm thinking of jumping for one.