Kino 0.4.1

[maslovsky]

Kino2 has been updated, please, download again and test.

http://cacko.oesf.org/downloads/kino2/kino2_0.4.1_arm.ipk

Also, Agawa has updated mplayer version for C3000, which should fix problems crashing Zaurus. Give it a try too:

http://atty.jp/?plugin=attach&refer=Zaurus...0.1.0-1_arm.ipk

http://atty.jp/?plugin=attach&refer=Zaurus...1.0.1-1_arm.ipk

Alternative version with IWMMX disabled:

http://atty.jp/?plugin=attach&refer=Zaurus...1.0.1-1_arm.ipk

[eji]

Some problems I've encountered with v0.4.1:

• Kino2 doesn't recognize folders or filenames with underscores ("_") in them.

• The IDv3 tag recognition isn't very good. I get blanks for artist, title, album, and so on. The standard Qtopia Media Player reads them but Kino doesn't.

• MP3 VBR times are interpreted incorrectly. The files play fine, but I'm reading 20 minutes or so for a 6-minute song.

• Movie files (.mov, .mp4 -- only two types I've tested so far) play in the upper left hand corner of the screen. Scaling them results in partial blackout. I'll double check this thread and others to see if there's a fix or workaround for this. Furthermore, the .mov file played without sound.

What's ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT is that it recognises and plays AAC (.m4a)! No need to convert my iTunes library into MP3 just so I can play in on my Z. This alone is enough to make me want to dance a jig.

[maslovsky]

Thanks for the feedback! Unfortunately, but most of the problems you found can't be fixed at the moment. See below for details...

Some problems I've encountered with v0.4.1:

• Kino2 doesn't recognize folders or filenames with underscores ("_") in them.

Sharp's File Open widget does that. No way to fix that other than using some other widget. Same problem with files, which have period in their name.

• The IDv3 tag recognition isn't very good. I get blanks for artist, title, album, and so on. The standard Qtopia Media Player reads them but Kino doesn't.

• MP3 VBR times are interpreted incorrectly. The files play fine, but I'm reading 20 minutes or so for a 6-minute song.

Mplayer problems - it's used to read media info form the files.

• Movie files (.mov, .mp4 -- only two types I've tested so far) play in the upper left hand corner of the screen. Scaling them results in partial blackout. I'll double check this thread and others to see if there's a fix or workaround for this. Furthermore, the .mov file played without sound.

Again, this is mplayer problem - there is no good hardware video driver for Zaurus 6000 and default framebuffer driver isn't perfect.

What's ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT is that it recognises and plays AAC (.m4a)! No need to convert my iTunes library into MP3 just so I can play in on my Z. This alone is enough to make me want to dance a jig.
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OK, never new about that, but since it works, I'm glad.  I'll add .m4a to the list of default supported extentions.

[eji]

Thanks for the quick feedback, maslovsky.

I'd supposed that many of these were MPlayer quirks rather than specific to Kino (as a GUI), but there have been a few optimized MPlayer files floating around, and I didn't know if a customized one had been issued by the Kino developing team.
 
As for AAC/MP4 audio, the Apple Lossless format is  no-go, but anything ripped at 320kbps or below is working well. I just had to manually add the files extensions .mp4 and .m4a in the list of supported formats under Kino preferences.

[jmbowman]

Regarding not recognizing files and folders with underscores in them...

Sharp's File Open widget does that. No way to fix that other than using some other widget. Same problem with files, which have period in their name.

This doesn't sound right.  The Zaurus comes with directories named Book_Files, Image_Files, Install_Files, etc.; I can navigate through all of these in PortaBase, which uses the file navigation widget from libsl.  The vast majority of my PortaBase files also have underscores in their names (Domestic_anime_DVDs.pob, etc.), and they show up and open just fine in the same widget.  I haven't had a chance to look at the latest kino2 build yet, but if it's having problems with these kinds of names it should be fixable.

Now files with periods in their names are likely to be a problem; Qtopia strips off file extensions, and having extra periods in there confuses this mechanism.  Case in point, Sharp's "new file" dialog won't even let you enter a period.  But underscores are allowed in this dialog, as that's how I created the aforementioned PortaBase files.

Am I just misunderstanding the problem?  I've been looking forward to trying out the latest version of kino2 (since 0.4 wouldn't run on my Zaurus), but since I do most of my file management from a Linux command line, I generally use underscores instead of spaces in all my filenames; a bug like this would force me to rename pretty much all media files I move to the Zaurus.

[maslovsky]

Regarding not recognizing files and folders with underscores in them...

Sharp's File Open widget does that. No way to fix that other than using some other widget. Same problem with files, which have period in their name.

This doesn't sound right.  The Zaurus comes with directories named Book_Files, Image_Files, Install_Files, etc.; I can navigate through all of these in PortaBase, which uses the file navigation widget from libsl.  The vast majority of my PortaBase files also have underscores in their names (Domestic_anime_DVDs.pob, etc.), and they show up and open just fine in the same widget.  I haven't had a chance to look at the latest kino2 build yet, but if it's having problems with these kinds of names it should be fixable.

You're absolutely right  - I don't see a problem with underscores in file names. I don't know what came on me

[shreks]

Kino2 has been updated, please, download again and test.

http://cacko.oesf.org/downloads/kino2/kino2_0.4.1_arm.ipk

Also, Agawa has updated mplayer version for C3000, which should fix problems crashing Zaurus. Give it a try too:

http://atty.jp/?plugin=attach&refer=Zaurus...0.1.0-1_arm.ipk

http://atty.jp/?plugin=attach&refer=Zaurus...1.0.1-1_arm.ipk

Alternative version with IWMMX disabled:

http://atty.jp/?plugin=attach&refer=Zaurus...1.0.1-1_arm.ipk
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Report:

I tried both updated BVDD versions of mplayer, both of them still caused my C3000 crash when I  used the option: -vo bvdd. The only difference is that the one with IWMMX disabled can work normally with the option -vo fbdev while the other one does not work with any options (-vo bvdd caused crash and -vo fbdev caused "illegal instructions") It seems that playback using fbdev consumes lots of CPU power because I always get a warning message "Your system may be too slow", so it is important find a solution with graphical device supported on C3000. For now I'd better wait for a while before I can play movie files correctly.

[maslovsky]

My guess is that you probably need a Special Kernel on your C3000 for the optimised mplayer to work properly.

[shreks]

My guess is that you probably need a Special Kernel on your C3000 for the optimised mplayer to work properly.
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I am using the default kernel shipped with C3000, it's Sharp's 2.4.20 kernel. You may be right, but I am wondering whether the testing platform of the author of the BVDD version of mplayer is different from the original Sharp's kernel, or the author used other customized kernel on C3000 to test his mplayer? It's better create a BVDD version of mplayer on the default kernel of C3000, such that average Z users can make use of it. So I would rather wait for a while till the solution is available. Thanks for your input, maslovsky!

[Bedman]

Hello,

would it be possible to port the kino2 GUI to opie? I would like to have a good mediaplayer in Openzaurus.
Or is it possible to run kino2 under OZ with opie?

Thx Bedman

[maslovsky]

Hello,

would it be possible to port the kino2 GUI to opie? I would like to have a good mediaplayer in Openzaurus.
Or is it possible to run kino2 under OZ with opie?

Thx Bedman
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Sure, the source code is available. I'm not using OPIE, so I have no interest in doing that. Any takers?

[spaul]

Anyone know if anything can play quicktime movies without first converting the file to avi and then mpeg.  Its a great use of the c860 to pop in the SD disk from camera and see high quality pics.  Unfortunately, i'm stuck with quicktime for movies from my konica / minolta.

[xjqian]

on 6k, what "advanced options" I have to pass to kino2 0.4.1 to let it play with full screen 640x480 in landscape? which mplayers here are able to do what i wanted (i'm confused with the recent flush of mplayers)?

so far, i still think THIS  http://jl90202.myweb.hinet.net/kino2_0.3_arm.ipk repackaged kino2 0.3 (0.3 gui+0.22 mplayer ?not quite sure?) is the only intuitive option for me to play full screen 640x480 on 6000. It playes the tmm-11 and matrix trailer pretty acceptably in the full 640x480 screen. replacing the /usr/local/bin/mplayer with either of the recent mplayers won't give me the desired result. Am I just dumb? Can someone help me to take advantage of the cutting edge mplayer?

[chrget]

Anyone know if anything can play quicktime movies without first converting the file to avi and then mpeg.  Its a great use of the c860 to pop in the SD disk from camera and see high quality pics.  Unfortunately, i'm stuck with quicktime for movies from my konica / minolta.
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There is no simple answer to that, since Quicktime is, much like AVI, primarily a container -- AFAIK anything that is able to play back MP4 or 3GP files should be able to handle QT as well. In the end, it all boils down to the codecs used within the container and whether the player in question knows how to deal with them.

A well built MPlayer or VLC should be able to handle the container -- as for the codecs, that well depends on what your cameras use ...

Best regards,
Chris.