New Zaurus Announced: Sl-c1000

[iamasmith]

Just curious why C1000 has the same dimensions as C3000? Besides obvious cost saving with avoiding  case redesign, maybe that indicates that C1000 has a second CF slot connector inside?[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this but the features comparison table that has been mentioned does in fact say that the C1k has 2 CF slots.  It also shows the C860 as having 1 and the C3k as having 2.  Here's a link to the [a href=\"http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fezaurus.com%2Flineup%2Fsl%2Fcompare_spec.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools]google translation[/url].

Based on that it seems like a good possibility that there is an internal connector.

~ray
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If you mean the - *2) text in the block beside the Compact Flash card (Type 2) section this is a bullet point. Further down *2) is refined as Must be 3.3v.

I would say wait for the dissection.

- Andy

[raybert]

If you mean the - *2) text in the block beside the Compact Flash card (Type 2) section this is a bullet point. Further down *2) is refined as Must be 3.3v.

Oops.  Yeah, I guess you're right.  I misread it.  Sorry for the distraction...

~ray

[robint]

ok there new zaurus is now available on price japan
i want to buy one but i want to know if it is possible to convert this zaurus to english
r the c1000 more memory than the c860 ?
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It's cool the Zaurus is still being produced. I'm aware that there are so many different ROMs that what's available is hardly comparable to my SL-5500. Nonetheless, I'm willing to learn, and will likey try a newer model one day.

Btw, I got a WiFi card for short $$ from someone on this list, and it worked flawlessly. I had to enter the WEP encryption info, and then, boom, email and web surfing was flawless.

[bluedevils]

I have fond memories of my 5500 and my sister is still enjoying it.  You might find like the rest of us that you are now hooked.  My 760 is pure joy and the 6000 is impressive.  I'm salivating over the 1000, but I think I will wait to see what the summer will bring.

It's cool the Zaurus is still being produced. I'm aware that there are so many different ROMs that what's available is hardly comparable to my SL-5500. Nonetheless, I'm willing to learn, and will likey try a newer model one day.

Btw, I got a WiFi card for short $$ from someone on this list, and it worked flawlessly. I had to enter the WEP encryption info, and then, boom, email and web surfing was flawless.
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[robint]

I just posted in another thread‚ from the Zaurus. Presently‚ I'm posting from my TungstenC...Just because. I love the versatility in these handhelds‚ and I love just seeing them "work". my next purchase will likely be the Archos Media Player‚ and then I'll see what Palm OS has to offer. If nothing excites me by then. I'll prowl these forums and Ebay and try and go for another Zaurus. hopefully a Clambshell version.

[ev1l]

The real shame is that there's still no clamshell with networking, neither bluetooth or wlan or even good old ethernet - at least usbnet exists to do tcpip over usb.
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It doesn't make sense on the Japanese market, period. Trust me, I know how frustrating that can be. Sharp doesn't seem to be interested in phone integration, so even bluetooth isn't in there, and using a BT card won't offer much extra functionality (like remote-dialling, SMS and Email Sync).

[alan.lai]

DMESG

From: http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?59414d41


Linux version 2.4.20 (namikosi@mascaras) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)) #1 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:44:25 +0900
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Converting old-style param struct to taglist
Ignoring unrecognised tag 0x00000000
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System bus clock : 208.00MHz (1/1)
Memory clock : 208.00MHz (1/1)
LCD clock : 104.00MHz (1/2)
Security risk: creating user accessible mapping for 0x08000000 at 0xf1000000
On node 0 totalpages: 16384
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Kernel command line: console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2          mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),59392k@7168k(root),-(home)    jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete EQUIPMENT=0 LOGOLANG=1 DEFYEAR=2006 LOGO=1 LAUNCH=q
Console: colour dummy device 80x30
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[guylhem]

I see ttyS02 - this is used for bluetooth on my 6000W. And the 128 mb flash chip means that if there is an internal port, it will be free.

Hmm - that would make the C1000 very attractive. A free serial port to solder a bluetooth chip in, and a free internal CF port for say a wifi card :-)

Even better - if it has the same internal wifi connector the 6000 has, a 6000L wifi module could be plugged it, so the internal connector could be used by a GSM card...

Some internal pics would really help in my speculations (or even C3000 pics - maybe they share the same board) but IMHO the C1000 *quite* interesting. So if you've got pics, please share :-)

I may be interested to purchase one just to try to cram wifi/bluetooth/gsm into it. (see http://externe.net/zaurus/simpad-bluetooth/ for a precedent project)

[albertr]

Funny, but I was thinking the same yesterday when read this dmesg post. BTW, thanks to alan.lai for posting it! It still remains to be seen if C1000 has a second internal CF connector inside. Also, while /dev/ttyS02 is implemented in hardware, it's not clear if lines are traced on PCB and are easy to be identified. I think that odds are good, but it still takes somebody with a scope to volunteer and dissect his/her brand new C1000 with taking risks of voiding warranty. Anyone?

But assuming that lines are traced, it shouldn't be too hard to wire up a serial BT module, i.e. like one I did for Psion 5mx @ http://www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/psion5mx/blue/

I was kinda hoped to see an internal USB hub on C1000, but unfortunately nothing like this was revealed by dmesg.
-albertr

[albertr]

Umm, actually it looks like there's the usb hub inside c3000 (and most probably c1000 too), at least according to openbsd's dmesg @

http://www.wheel.gr.jp/~dai/sl-zaurus/bsd/dmesg-openbsd.txt

Here's what it says:

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OpenBSD 3.6-current (RAMDISK) #3: Wed Jan 19 16:59:32 MST 2005
 Â   deraadt@zaurus.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/zaurus/compile/RAMDISK
real mem  = 67108864 (65536K)
avail mem = 53002240 (51760K)
using 844 buffers containing 3457024 bytes (3376K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
cpu0 at mainbus0: PXA27x rev 4 (XScale core)
cpu0: DC enabled IC enabled WB enabled LABT branch prediction enabled
cpu0: 32KB/32B 32-way Instruction cache
cpu0: 32KB/32B 32-way write-back-locking Data cache
pxaip0 at mainbus0: PXA2x0 Onchip Peripheral Bus  CPU clock = 415.998 MHz
pxaintc0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40d00000: Interrupt Controller
pxagpio0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40e00000: GPIO Controller
saost0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40a00000
saost0: SA-11x0 OS Timer
com0 at pxaip0 addr 0x40100000 intr 22: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
com0: console
com1 at pxaip0 addr 0x40200000 intr 21: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
ohci0 at pxaip0 addr 0x4c000000 intr 3, version 1.0
usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: PXA27x OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pxapcic0 at pxaip0
pcmcia0 at pxapcic0
pcmcia1 at pxapcic0
lcd_pxaip0 at pxaip0
wsdisplay0 at lcd_pxaip0: console (std, vt100 emulation)
zkbd0 at pxaip0
wskbd0 at zkbd0 mux 1
wskbd0: connecting to wsdisplay0
clock: hz=100 stathz=64
rd0: fixed, 5120 blocks
wdc0 at pcmcia1 function 0 "HITACHI, microdrive" port 0x0/16
wd0 at wdc0 channel 0 drive 0:
wd0: 32-sector PIO, LBA, 3906MB, 7999488 sectors
wd0(wdc0:0:0): using BIOS timings
ne0 at pcmcia0 function 0 "Ethernet, CF Size PC Card, 1.0" port 0x300/32
ne0: address 00:ff:90:ff:cc:ff
boot_file: '(null)'
rootdev=0x1200 rrootdev=0x1200 rawdev=0x1202
According to the above dmesg, there're two usb ports available on the hub. I guess one goes to usb connector, but the second might be used to hoock up internal usb devices, like BT module or 802.11b?

I think that c1000 can use the same PCB as c3000, they might just swap the 16MB nand chip with a 128MB one.
-albertr

[kahm]

The TTYS02 is also present on my 860's dmesg as well. I suspect that it is probably something to do with the PXA chips rather than being indicitive of any actual circuitry.

As for for the internal CF connector - I suspect that all we're going to find is blank solder pads. The 1000 probably uses the same circuit board as the 3000, but I sincerely doubt that Sharp will bother to populate the necessary components for the internal CF.

[adf]

but blank pads might make a connector possble, though. right?  Given someon w/ talent a connector and a soldering iron (not me).

[speculatrix]

but blank pads might make a connector possble, though. right?  Given someon w/ talent a connector and a soldering iron (not me).
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actually, adding a CF socket onto blank pads wouldn't be *too* hard as the pin density isn't as high as the latest surface mount chips. I'd be willing to give it a go, as long as I got to practise on someone elses Z first!!!

I recall somewhere that someone's managed to add extra memory to the 760/860 model, but it didn't look at all straightforward.

As for building in bluetooth, that'd be excellent, I'd even tolerate having some sort of manual switch added to disconnect the serial port (especially the IR port) and connect the bluetooth module if necessary, just to keep the CF slot free.

Paul

[speculatrix]

I see ttyS02 - this is used for bluetooth on my 6000W. And the 128 mb flash chip means that if there is an internal port, it will be free.

thinking out loud here...

does the 6000W have IR tx/rx, or did they steal it for the bluetooth?

[guylhem]

the 6000 has a separate one. In fact I have : the internal serial, the sled serial, the ir port and the bluetooth - quite a lot of serial ports :-)

The internal wifi use a little white connector like the one on the C3000 used to hook up the SD slot IIRC (it's been a while since I opened my 6000W)