New Rom

[kahm]

Got it up and running now. These are my first impressions. I have a few days off starting day after tomorrow, so I'll hammer it more then.

Flashed with 0 issues. Looks eerily familiar

USB Keyboard - Check!

USB Mouse - Check! -> I love this  Makes mucking with the Z with a keyboard much easier - no picking up a sylus, steadying the Z, then tapping on the screen. Maybe of limited use for normal people, but for anyone doing actual *work* I think it'll be great

USB Storage - No Check. I haven't played much yet. The first thing I hooked up was my Lyra 40gb MP3 player. The Z recognizes it as /dev/sda, but it can't make heads or tails out of the partition table. Subsequent attempts with a memory card reader also failed to produce anything. I don't have a memory key, so I'll try mucking with my various readers and memory cards later.

WiFi - Problem. There might be an issue with starting wi-fi for the first time. (Perhaps some weirdness in a default config file?) I stuck my card (linksys WCF12) in, and it was detected. Opened the network applet. Clicked "Add". Entered my SSID, WEP key (128bit), set my static IP info*, and set my DNS info. It created the wireless profile. I click on "connect" and I'm instantly looking at the boot screen with the 5 second count down. If I go back to the network applet and try to connect after it rebooted, it works perfectly. The crash seems to be a one time occurance. The crash looks like it occurred before the "select service" listbox came up.

I made a 32mb swap file with the updated memory applet, seems to work fine.

That's about all I have time for tonight. I'll play with installing the Kx/Pi stuff tomorrow. I'll be using the media player with the remote, too

I miss opera =(

-kahm


*I can't use DHCP for the Z on my home network. The 860 with the Sharp 1.4 rom works perfectly in DHCP. The 1.01 C3000 rom and Cacko 1.22a on the 860 manage to extract an IP from the *disabled* dhcp server on my wireless router. Don't know why, but it works if I specify my IP

[kahm]

Further notes:

There may be some weirdness with USB and suspend/resume. I'll test that more later.

USB Storage - After a reboot, I can see my CF cards in my reader now. My earlier issues may have been something to do with the RCA mp3 player messing up the works.

USB Storage again - I put my 1gb CF card in an external reader. It automounts and shows in the documents tab as Storage /dev/sda1. I browsed down through the FS, and found some MP3 files I had on there. Clicked on an MP3 file and the (updated) Media player started. Then nothing. The Sharp Mediaplayer app doesn't recognize the existence of the USB storage. When it opens up you're in its built in file browser, and it only shows Internal memory. (I didn't have any cards inserted into the Z itself, just the USB reader). Other files that I've tried work fine off of USB (a text file and an IPK).

I'll be testing out Textmaker on here as well. hopefully it works

Sleep now, work tomorrow.

[iamasmith]

USB Storage - No Check. I haven't played much yet. The first thing I hooked up was my Lyra 40gb MP3 player. The Z recognizes it as /dev/sda, but it can't make heads or tails out of the partition table. Subsequent attempts with a memory card reader also failed to produce anything. I don't have a memory key, so I'll try mucking with my various readers and memory cards later.

WiFi - Problem. There might be an issue with starting wi-fi for the first time. (Perhaps some weirdness in a default config file?) I stuck my card (linksys WCF12) in, and it was detected. Opened the network applet. Clicked "Add". Entered my SSID, WEP key (128bit), set my static IP info*, and set my DNS info. It created the wireless profile. I click on "connect" and I'm instantly looking at the boot screen with the 5 second count down. If I go back to the network applet and try to connect after it rebooted, it works perfectly. The crash seems to be a one time occurance. The crash looks like it occurred before the "select service" listbox came up.

*I can't use DHCP for the Z on my home network. The 860 with the Sharp 1.4 rom works perfectly in DHCP. The 1.01 C3000 rom and Cacko 1.22a on the 860 manage to extract an IP from the *disabled* dhcp server on my wireless router. Don't know why, but it works if I specify my IP

USB Storage again - I put my 1gb CF card in an external reader. It automounts and shows in the documents tab as Storage /dev/sda1. I browsed down through the FS, and found some MP3 files I had on there. Clicked on an MP3 file and the (updated) Media player started. Then nothing. The Sharp Mediaplayer app doesn't recognize the existence of the USB storage. When it opens up you're in its built in file browser, and it only shows Internal memory. (I didn't have any cards inserted into the Z itself, just the USB reader). Other files that I've tried work fine off of USB (a text file and an IPK).

USB Storage, the release notes mention this, we simply look for /dev/sda1, if the device hasn't got a partition table then you get zilch.

WiFi proble, The Qtopia restart symptom that you mentioned can be indicative of a range of things, basically something is crashing the Qtopia display server and it sounds like the WIFI applet which is from the Sharp ROM.

* DHCP... strange, I have had a couple of reports on this, you have a 1000 too. does that behave in the same way? The WIFI network stuff should be fairly stock Sharp ROM stuff at the moment.

USB Storage again - Have you tried setting the 'other' location in Option->Preferences->Library?

- Andy

[iamasmith]

Should any USB mouse work, or would it need to be a particular type?  Is there anything I'll need to do other than just plugging it in?
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I can't say 'any USB mouse' that would depend on the usbmouse driver in the Kernel but if you have one that isn't being recognised then tell me and I will see if there's anything I can do.

Just plug it into a host cable and you should be away.

- Andy

[iamasmith]

Updated memory applet again.. get it from the same location.. same file name...

Uninstall the previous one first and restart Qtopia when you have installed the new one (you can just use the Restart option for Qtopia in the Settings tab).

The new version allows up to 128Mb swap files (takes a while to create so be patient) and now changes the label from RAM to HDD if run on an SL-C3000

Incidentally if your Z seems sluggish after creating a large swapfile that's because the disk cache has been purged by creating a large file.. it should recover within a few seconds of 'tapping around'.

- Andy

[iamasmith]

I miss opera =(

OK, I will put it into the released ROM.

It's a badly behaved installation that can hose a 3000 if you install from IPK (due to cache location etc.) unless you do the following..

1. Start Konsole then..

mkdir /hdd2/Applications/.opera
mkdir /hdd2/Applications/.operasave
ln -s /hdd2/Applications/.opera ~/.opera
ln -s /hdd2/Applications/.operasave ~/.operasave

2. Install the IPK (from the cacko feed http://cacko.biz/cacko/feed)

3. Start Konsole again..

su
ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera

That should get you up and running for now. (this is also applicable to stock ROM users)

- Andy

[iamasmith]

Also, since I'm going to put Opera into the release what are your thought on putting apache-php into the ROM since its a swine to install on an SL-C3000. Would you like to have it without having the hassle ?

I'll add it to alpha2 if you want it (will put that together after I come back from holiday).

- Andy

[iamasmith]

OK, I spotted a howler.

If you synchronise then inetd dies which means that you can't Samba or ssh following sync until you restart inetd.

Reason, qtsamba kicks in whilst doing the sync process, claims the netbios port which the inetd superserver is listening on and inetd dies.

Temporary fix .. drop to the command line, su and /etc/rc.d/init.d/inet restart to get your services back.

Permanent fix.. su and remove /etc/rc.d/init.d/samba you don't need it because samba starts from inetd.. tested... still syncs

Regards,

Andy

[darkloran]

what are your thought on putting apache-php into the ROM since its a swine to install on an SL-C3000. Would you like to have it without having the hassle ?

yes i'd love to get apache-php-mysql already installed and configured

loran

[kahm]

Also, since I'm going to put Opera into the release what are your thought on putting apache-php into the ROM since its a swine to install on an SL-C3000. Would you like to have it without having the hassle ?

I'll add it to alpha2 if you want it (will put that together after I come back from holiday).

- Andy
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Instead of pre-installing badly behaved packages, it should be possible to modify the install scripts in the ipks to detect installation on a 3000. Even a 3000 specific IPK would be better. I'll look at it this weekend to see what I can put together.

USB Storage, the release notes mention this, we simply look for /dev/sda1, if the device hasn't got a partition table then you get zilch.

I saw the bit about the partition table. I tried the RCA on another linux box and got the same strange partition table info. It may not actually have a partition (which surprises me somewhat - this is a 40gb HD based mp3 player   ) More importantly, plugging it in seems to break something, as I can't get ANY usb storage to work afterwards. Rebooting clears that up. Are you supposed to be able to manually mount a partionless drive as just /dev/sda?

* DHCP... strange, I have had a couple of reports on this, you have a 1000 too. does that behave in the same way? The WIFI network stuff should be fairly stock Sharp ROM stuff at the moment.

I just tried it with the 1000 and it got it's IP from the proper DHCP server. The 3000, in the stock rom, got it from the disabled one. This is probably a combination of oddities in my dlink wireless router and the Sharp networking stuff.

USB Storage again - Have you tried setting the 'other' location in Option->Preferences->Library?

Setting a location there allows the "library" view in the media player to find the files. The "filelist" view is still unable to browse any but the default file locations (internal, sd, cf)

WiFi proble, The Qtopia restart symptom that you mentioned can be indicative of a range of things, basically something is crashing the Qtopia display server and it sounds like the WIFI applet which is from the Sharp ROM

I double checked, and the crash didn't occur on the 1000. I'll wipe both back to default conditions and see if either behavior is reproducible.

[iamasmith]

USB Storage, the release notes mention this, we simply look for /dev/sda1, if the device hasn't got a partition table then you get zilch.

I saw the bit about the partition table. I tried the RCA on another linux box and got the same strange partition table info. It may not actually have a partition (which surprises me somewhat - this is a 40gb HD based mp3 player   ) More importantly, plugging it in seems to break something, as I can't get ANY usb storage to work afterwards. Rebooting clears that up. Are you supposed to be able to manually mount a partionless drive as just /dev/sda?

You can mount file systems using just the /dev/sda type device, however, I would be very careful with something like an MP3 player just in case you upset something that the device uses to boot.

As mentioned lots of pen drives present no partition table so it's reasonable to suggest that Windows doesn't care about partition tables on USB devices.. this may explain the MP3 player drive.

* DHCP... strange, I have had a couple of reports on this, you have a 1000 too. does that behave in the same way? The WIFI network stuff should be fairly stock Sharp ROM stuff at the moment.

I just tried it with the 1000 and it got it's IP from the proper DHCP server. The 3000, in the stock rom, got it from the disabled one. This is probably a combination of oddities in my dlink wireless router and the Sharp networking stuff.

I've got a DLink DL-624 and it works perfectly with DHCP to my Senao WLAN card on the new ROM. This is getting to be a strange problem that I may not be able to locate without some different HW. The real problem is traffic sniffing the WLAN stuff, I found the ping going on whilst using my Linux box as a NAT/gateway device (setting up Wireless sync to VMWare guest).

USB Storage again - Have you tried setting the 'other' location in Option->Preferences->Library?

Setting a location there allows the "library" view in the media player to find the files. The "filelist" view is still unable to browse any but the default file locations (internal, sd, cf)

Ah, pretty poor. That's not something we are going to be able to do much about unless Sharp fix it.... the only other thing that I can think of is create a symbolic link off flash pointing to /mnt/usbstorage. This will report the NotAvailable file when not mounted. - just browse to it as a location in flash.

WiFi proble, The Qtopia restart symptom that you mentioned can be indicative of a range of things, basically something is crashing the Qtopia display server and it sounds like the WIFI applet which is from the Sharp ROM

I double checked, and the crash didn't occur on the 1000. I'll wipe both back to default conditions and see if either behavior is reproducible.

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Thanks for all your help, good to get some feedback.

(tsk.. 100 replies and we broke the quote tags !)

- Andy

[euroclie]

Back home, and trying to keep up...

* The new MusicPlayer 2.0.0-1 works perfectly now.

* USB Mouse works OK with my Logitech Mouseman Traveler. Cool! Have yet to try a USB keyboard...

* Wifi works good as with the Sharp ROM, it seems. With the Sharp ROM I had to install some additional drivers (from the manufacturer website) to make the Planex GW-CF11X Wifi CF card work, and it's the same here. Did a quick test (just launched the Google page in Netfront), but things seem OK with DHCP on my WiFi router at home (SMC Barricade).

More later...

[iamasmith]

Did y'all see that I updated the memory applet again by the way ?

[slackwaresupport]

after the one for the swap?

[iamasmith]

Yep, uninstall the old one, download from the same location install and restart Qtopia from the settings tab. Now changes the name to HDD for the internal stuff on a 3K and allows up to 128Mb Swap files.

Please be aware that your Z may take quite a while to create a 128Mb swap file and will be sluggish until you work with it a bit. Writing a file this size will purge all your disk cache.

- Andy