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« Reply #135 on: April 11, 2005, 02:56:43 am »
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I've also found Slackware to be much faster, easier to use, more configurable, more reliable, and generally better then any other distribution I've tried.

Mostly, I just love Slackware on the PC, and I'd love to see it on the Zaurus. Besides, the more variety the better, correct? The same argument could be used against all new Linux distributions. It's not a matter of "pdaXrom works, so therefore it's pointless to port anything else", but one of variety and each user's preference.
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« Reply #136 on: April 11, 2005, 03:55:47 am »
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Besides, the more variety the better, correct? The same argument could be used against all new Linux distributions. It's not a matter of "pdaXrom works, so therefore it's pointless to port anything else", but one of variety and each user's preference.
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Well, I for one certainly would complain about having too much choice when chosing a Zaurus ROM, but like kahm, I fail to see exactly what a Slackware Zaurus ROM would bring when compared to the other existing ROMs...

Not that it matters much, of course, if you or anyone is willing to spend time on it, then go for it  , it's just that I'm a bit sceptical of the real benefit, and wondering if trying to get a few selected ROMs to a better level wouldn't be more interesting than having many ROM ported but with only basic capabilities.

I'm a real newbie when it comes to Zauruses (my first one is a 3000 purchased a mere three months ago  ), but as far as I could tell, it seems the biggest problem (for me at least) is to find applications that run on it, and I'm not sure that yet another ROM would provide a solution to this...
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« Reply #137 on: April 11, 2005, 02:03:59 pm »
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I've also found Slackware to be much faster, easier to use, more configurable, more reliable, and generally better then any other distribution I've tried.

Mostly, I just love Slackware on the PC, and I'd love to see it on the Zaurus. Besides, the more variety the better, correct? The same argument could be used against all new Linux distributions. It's not a matter of "pdaXrom works, so therefore it's pointless to port anything else", but one of variety and each user's preference.
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I'm one of those heretical Linux users that doesn't see variety as the holy grail of the open source world. Don't get me wrong - I love Linux. I run it on two laptops, my main desktop, my raid-5 fileserver, my router, and my PDA. Unfortunately, I feel that there are two things wrong with linux.

1) The GPL. Linus has stated that linking non-gpl code to the kernel (for example: loading a non-gpl kernel module or binary only kernel module), is violating the GPL of the kernel. That means no proprietary drivers. No Sharp supplied binary only SD module, no Nvidia desktop video drivers - Nothing! That reduces Linux from an operating system to a philosophical argument. They know they can't enforce it, but they'd like to.

2) 10,000,000 projects, none of them complete. Every time an OSS coder has a problem to solve, he'll look at what is available and chances are he'll promptly decide to start a new project. Even when a project does reach a usable and popular stage the market becomes  fragmented, causing end user, support, and compatibility issues. (See KDE vs Gnome, or Sharp vs Opie, or AR-based ipks vs Gzip based ipks).

So, no, my personal belief is that variety is not always better. In some cases it is required to combat stagnancy, but the vast majority of the time that energy can be better applied to an existing product.
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Ironically, I just remembered that my first linux install was Slackware. Kernel 0.98 off of 40 floppy disks. To install that on a machine with 4mb of ram and a 5 1/4" A: drive required 6 reboots (messing with partitioning and swapfiles) to get to the package selection stage. The only more difficult linux install that I've ever done was a Fujitsu stylistic 1000, which has no floppy, no keyboard, and a PCMCIA hard drive.  
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« Reply #138 on: April 17, 2005, 10:40:38 am »
Well I havent been on the forum for a while, i'm back now.

Thought i'd join the discussion by stating why I prefer slackware enough to want to use it. (this was originally posted, but lost, so this post may well be not as good. or coherent,)

Well Slackware seems to be a distro that drags people in and assimilates them, you may have heard the phrase "Once you go Slack, you never go back), people like it's simplicity, and it's philosophy, so stick with the distro, evermore.

I'm one of those you see, I like the philosophy behind it, i like the simple package system, I like the fact that it's all as simple and close to how the software was origianlly intended as possible, I like the fact that It's on of the most UNIX like distros available.

On the Package management, it's not hard, especially compared to how some people think. I subscribe to teh view that if you don't understand the basics aobut something, can't be botherd to read ever the README file, then you have no business installing it. If you just check what dependancies a package needs, and install them, then you are set, it will install sweet as anything, and just work.

For those reasons, and perhaps more (I'm picky and perfectionistic, plus i like a challenge ) I'm prepared to try to get the distro in a state to be used as a Z rom,
But, University exams are coming up, I'll have to wait untill i have the mout of the way at least. 4 weeks till my exams, I'll look into it after then, till then I'l happily beta test for any other rom, as a new rom for the 3K is good for all .

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edit: sorry ther ewas a lot more of this post, my thoughts on slack, etc, I'll post it when iget home, sorry if this amkes little sense in the meantime

edit2: fixed now
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« Reply #139 on: April 19, 2005, 02:13:20 pm »
Ok. I will do the same thing as everyone here....

Well, I would like a new car. A better one. Yes! Sure! I would love to have it. What amazing day it would be if I could have it. Do you listen to me father chrismas?

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« Reply #140 on: April 19, 2005, 03:36:54 pm »
whats the most post on any given topic?

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« Reply #141 on: April 20, 2005, 08:14:14 am »
I can't understand why people are saying "why having slackware when you can have pdaXrom" when we are discussing about c3k/c1k roms ...  Actually there is no support for c3k/c1k in pdaXrom and pdaXrom team haven't even anounced officially they will bother making support for these models, nor they  have done anything to help external developpers doing this.. So what's the point ? Why are you talking about "having too much choice" when there is NO choice but running standard sharp rom or waiting for cacko3k to be finalized and available to more than 5 people ?
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« Reply #142 on: April 20, 2005, 09:59:04 am »
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I can't understand why people are saying "why having slackware when you can have pdaXrom" when we are discussing about c3k/c1k roms ...  Actually there is no support for c3k/c1k in pdaXrom and pdaXrom team haven't even anounced officially they will bother making support for these models, nor they  have done anything to help external developpers doing this.. So what's the point ? Why are you talking about "having too much choice" when there is NO choice but running standard sharp rom or waiting for cacko3k to be finalized and available to more than 5 people ?
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I should point out that at least one of the people advocating the Slackware ROM only has a 5500 listed in his sig. The topic has wandered somewhat afield of the forum it's in.
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« Reply #143 on: April 20, 2005, 11:21:58 am »
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Why are you talking about "having too much choice" when there is NO choice but running standard sharp rom or waiting for cacko3k to be finalized and available to more than 5 people ?
Hopfully Andy will be back from holidays in a couple of days and the Cacko3k ROM will certainly soon reach beta stage...

That being said, even if I see nothing wrong with a Slackware3k ROM, I'm just wondering what you can do with it that is not possible with a Sharp ROM (or with a Cacko ROM, for that matter)? Choice is good, sure, but what for? If it's just a minor alteration of the look and feel, then IMHO it might prove counterproductive (in the sense of "the time spent on this might be better spent on something else") to have too many different ROM but all of them in a beta / unfinished state, instead of concentrating on just a few ROM and polish them until they are bugfree and with a load of tailored applications.

Of course, everyone is free to spend his/her time as one wishes it... So I think the bottom line is: if someone is willing to initiate a Slackware C3000 port, fine, go ahead, but if you're trying to motivate other users to team up on that project, then I think you'll need to convince them to spend their time on this project.

I for one might be tempted to help, if someone gave me a good reason why Slackware is a good choice for an alternate ROM. Statements that Slackware's package management is cool, or that you like it because you use this on your desktop computer too is not going to be very convincing (for me, at least)!  

I mean, it's painful enough to have to tweak half of the existing packages so that they install smoothly on the 3k, if one has to do it for a dozen of different distro, then I fear that most programmers will fail to do it, and that in the end there wont be as wide a choice of software for the 3k as there could be for a limited number of ROM... It's essentially a matter of who comes first, and it seems that Cacko has a made the first move. Not that this ROM is inherently better than any other, mind you, it will simply be amongst the first available...

Hence the question asked by kahm:
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That tells me why you like Slackware on the desktop, but hasn't explained what you're trying to solve by putting it on the Zaurus.
which still hasn't been answered... (not that it matters, of course, if people are willing to go for it! Nobody's ever going to stop you releasing a Slackware3k ROM!!!  )
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« Reply #144 on: April 20, 2005, 12:47:29 pm »
im all about some slackware, but why reinvent the wheel?  debian is just fine. debian is slackware with apt-get.  :>

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« Reply #145 on: April 20, 2005, 11:06:59 pm »
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im all about some slackware, but why reinvent the wheel?  debian is just fine. debian is slackware with apt-get.  :>
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I find the debian bootstrap, being chrooted, is missing functionality, such as direct hardware access, i playeed with it for a while, but after a while i got bored/fed-up and went back to using sharp (it' still there, i just haven't been using it). Perhaps i'm wrong, perhaps not, but i think it's very sub-optimal