Oz3.5.3 (collie) On/off Button Problem

[Hrw]

Today I will update kernels to newer version - with one more fix for APM.

[bsaunder2002]

Today I will update kernels to newer version - with one more fix for APM.
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I hate to break my own rule "keep replies on topic" but...

Does anyone know if the buzzer as dsp code is in this kernel?

Ie at one point someone had a driver to make the buzzer behave like a dsp device.  You could play any sound over the buzzer(albeit very badly).

GPE doesn't seem to use the buzzer.  I've taped a CF case containing cut down ear bud speakers onto the back of my Z just so the calendar alarms would work.  This solution works but is UGGLY.

I'd really like to link /dev/dsp to the buzzer device and be happy....

(I included this one since hrw seems to be building the kernels for the 5500...sorry to be off topic)
(pps- THANKS HRW! It's awesome what you're doing.  I'll pay $25 for a working SL-5500 64/0 kernel that supports buzzer/dsp and apm(reliably) and no right arrow suspend.  Email me at bsaunder2002 somewhere yahoo com to collect.)

Bill

[Mickeyl]

I'm pretty busy atm. but I will promise to take a look at reintegrating that buzzer thingy.

[Hrw]

bsaunder2002: I can build that kernel for you - but you will loose alarm sound, keyclick, screen click sound.

[schadfield]

The package manager is the heart and soul of any Linux distro. IMHO you don't consider releasing even an early beta if the package manager isn't working. What use is an OS if the end user can't easily install and uninstall applications? Including those in the "feed" and under direct control of the distro he is using?

Hmmm...Looking at your signature information seems to somewhat minimize your argument:

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SL-5500, Sharp ROM 3.13,
Windows XP Pro SP2,
Intellisync 3.2E, Outlook 2003.
Last I remember, Windows' package manager was at the mercy of the whatever programs get installed, and it is a constant fight against cruft. I'm not trying to start an OS war here, but you really need to either lend a hand or shut up. Your constant needling of the openzaurus developers is couterproductive.

And by the way, does your diatribe above mean that Slackware is not a real Linux distro?

My experience of OZ is that the graphical installer is broken and is not even capable of installing packages from the OZ feed.

There is always the command line. Whats so hard about ipkg install <package>? I have not used the gui package manager since I installed 3.5.3...Not because it is broken, but because the command line is generally quicker than a gui.

To be a credible Linux distro for the Zaurus OZ is required to support a much smaller range of hardware than a standard X86 distro. It also needs to support a much smaller range of user applications - just stable replacements for the Sharp ROM applications would be good start.

OZ + Opie fail on both counts.
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Really? Then you object to Debian as well? Since we have tens of thousands of packages in our repository, does that mean we also fail as a credible Linux distro? Please go back to the Sharp forums.

--Storm
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Firstly, comments about Windows package management are completely irrelevant. Windows XP is not a Linux distro - OZ is.

Slackware does have package management. It doesn't handle dependancies but it reliably installs and removes packages - particularly those distributed as part of Slackware.

Sharp made no mistake in not including a terminal app as part of the default installation for the original Linux based Zaurus line. A graphical installer is the correct solution for this class of devices. Use of the command line should not be required for basic administrative tasks on a device with a low resolution screen and a tiny keyboard.

The OZ/Opie graphical installer is broken. Installing packages from the OZ feed via the command line is extremely unreliable and usually requires trawling through the forums for fixes for each broken package.

Given how critical power managment is to the Zaurus line and package management is to any Linux distro I am amazed that anyone is prepare to push out releases with those key features broken yet still expects to maintain any credibility.

[niv]

schadfield: ok you hate OZ. pls go away.
thanks,

[bsaunder2002]

hrw,
  In regards to loosing somethings...

Am I correct in saying that "OPIE knows about the buzzer and the DSP but GPE does not"?

Also, do all Zauri (SL-xxxx and SL-Cxxx) have the buzzer?

Do they behave the same ie no internal speakers for the nice sounding dsp?

I can't believe that OPIE doesn't let you configure the destination for all of the different sounds.

(I really like OPIE but I hate the no X11 stuff...(yeah I've tried keypebble/xvnc and also Xqt but none of those are perfect).
(another side question - how come noone has compiled a fb for X11 so we could make OPIE run on top of X?))

Also OPIE's integration with the buzzer should be able to be faked if the buzzer is a true DSP right?  That shouldn't be too hard...I think.

So hrw, yes I'd love the kernel with DSP buzzer, then GPE's calendar would work.  If I get that I'll try to hack together some OPIE -> my hack -> buzzer DSP solution.

Bill
ps- I'm trying to follow 12 threads...I have NOT gotten one of your kernels to work yet hrw.  (not complaining, I appreciate the builds, I'll keep testing)

[quasarlyte]

This 'fix' has been applied in the gpe-image for collie handhelds only - if you have problems resuming after suspend, try this:

-Remove the line containing /dev/apm_bios from /etc/device_table
-Reboot

If that doesn't fix things, I'm afraid I don't know. The problem, with collie at least, is a buggy apm implementation in the kernel - I will fix this as soon as I get a Zaurus serial cable (donations welcome!)
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Ummm... I tried the removing thing and I don't recommend anyone do it without knowing what it actually does.  I tried it and all the keys became disabled. I have to reflash again.

[SteveConley]

I see mention of "fixed" images, but the images in updates are only Colle and C700.

The poodle definitely has the problem.

Possible new info:

1. If you set on AC power to not go into standby or reduced light, the unit never locks up.

2. If have found that if I suspend with the MENU and leave for an hour or more - then when I hit the Cancel button nothing happens. If I hit again - I see a reduced light screen where I left off. Nothing is responsive (keyboard or touch). The light goes to full brightness after a bit (apparently all by itself). If I hit cancel again, it will go off and never come back without a reset.

3. I am using Altboot to boot to image on SD.

[tombraider]

schadfield: ok you hate OZ. pls go away.
thanks,
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I think we need more people like schadfield to tell the brutal truth around here.

[koen]

schadfield: ok you hate OZ. pls go away.
thanks,
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I think we need more people like schadfield to tell the brutal truth around here.
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We also need people to learn to either try the fixes mentioned in the bugtrackers or keep one thread per problem. Why do we have a zillion threads about the collie suspend problem in OZ?

[SteveConley]

We also need people to learn to either try the fixes mentioned in the bugtrackers or keep one thread per problem. Why do we have a zillion threads about the collie suspend problem in OZ?
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koen,

Excuse me, but it appeared to me that this was in fact the proper forum to talk about this problem "Oz3.5.3 On/Off Button Problem".  

I have indeed searched all over (Google and this forum) for solutions to my issues and have not yet found them. I have tried many of the solutions and tried to post which worked and did not.  I have probably invested 35+ hours in trying to get OZ 3.5.3 to work on my Zaurus SL5600 and on SD which is the first time I have tried OZ.

You mention the bugtracker -  I went there and it appeared to require an account to view anything and looked like it was for the developers (ala TestTrack, etc). If I am supposed to be using that, I will do so.

I am hoping to get OZ working well enough on my Zaurus to be useful and I will start developing some code for it to share.  Although I have been developing code (including a lot of embedded code) for 36 years, I am new to the open source development community.

[koen]

We also need people to learn to either try the fixes mentioned in the bugtrackers or keep one thread per problem. Why do we have a zillion threads about the collie suspend problem in OZ?
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koen,

Excuse me, but it appeared to me that this was in fact the proper forum to talk about this problem "Oz3.5.3 On/Off Button Problem".  

I have indeed searched all over (Google and this forum) for solutions to my issues and have not yet found them. I have tried many of the solutions and tried to post which worked and did not.  I have probably invested 35+ hours in trying to get OZ 3.5.3 to work on my Zaurus SL5600 and on SD which is the first time I have tried OZ.

You mention the bugtracker -  I went there and it appeared to require an account to view anything and looked like it was for the developers (ala TestTrack, etc). If I am supposed to be using that, I will do so.

I am hoping to get OZ working well enough on my Zaurus to be useful and I will start developing some code for it to share.  Although I have been developing code (including a lot of embedded code) for 36 years, I am new to the open source development community.
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This thread could be designated 'the place to be', but there are different threads on the subject, which is annoying to me, and confusing to users. This was no attack on you, just an observation how a forum confuses the hell out of people when they treat is a bug tracker.
The bugtracker for OZ is located at [a href=\"http://bugs.openembedded.org/]http://bugs.openembedded.org/[/url] , which is configured to send emails to the developer mailinglist to make sure the right people get to see it. It would be nice if the people on this forum (NOT the developers for a change) could update bugzilla once in a while with new information. That way everybody wins: people can share experiences on the forum, and usefull information ends up where it doesn't get lost (bugzilla).

The bugzilla entry in question: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54

[SteveConley]

This thread could be designated 'the place to be', but there are different threads on the subject, which is annoying to me, and confusing to users. This was no attack on you, just an observation how a forum confuses the hell out of people when they treat is a bug tracker.
The bugtracker for OZ is located at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ , which is configured to send emails to the developer mailinglist to make sure the right people get to see it. It would be nice if the people on this forum (NOT the developers for a change) could update bugzilla once in a while with new information. That way everybody wins: people can share experiences on the forum, and usefull information ends up where it doesn't get lost (bugzilla).

The bugzilla entry in question: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54
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Well thank you sir - I will see if I can setup a development environment and see if that code fixes the problem for the poodle. From the looks of the development environment setup, that may take me a wee bit of time.

[luxovius]

I just installed 3.5.3 on my poodle yesterday.  I've read this thread, and it's great to see that the problem with the APM suspend has been partially resolved.  

I've found the instructions at http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/07/27...rnel-on-collie/ for how to fix the problem on the collie.  However, I don't know how that can help me, since I have a poodle.

Has anyone figured out how to repair the problem on an SL5600?

Thanks for the hard work, guys.