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Opera's Screwing Up My Modem
« on: November 27, 2005, 10:30:54 am »
I'm even considering Zepo as an alternative but don't know if it's worth it. Installing new software is very hard for me as I'm disabled.

 Documentation online says it's just an offline browser.   What does that mean?  If I can't use it to replace Opera for going online, I don't want it.  Is Zepo any better than Opera 5.0?   (I really like the bookmark folders in 7.30.)

My Z is my only web access. I am finding that the upgrade of Opera 7.30 is nifty compared to my old 5.0 but it is causing nothing but problems for me.  

I hate the idea of going back to Opera 5.0 because there are so many nifty features in 7.30, but it screws up my modem settings even when I just use Opera offline.

For example, when it crashes online, I find myself unable to disconnect from the web without rebooting!  My screen just freezes up forever if I tap "Disconnect'  on the modem popup menu.

Is there any way to disable forever Opera's access to my modem and modem settings?    I am running Opera 7.30 on an embedix machine (zaurus sl5500 Rom 2.38).

Any assistance with this would be appreciated!

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2005, 10:51:58 pm »
Never heard of Zepo, offline browsing seems only useful to view stored htm/html data.

Your crashes could be the result of a bad installation or incompatibilties with your O/S (am fielding a question on compatibility).

Would you kindly tell me where (URL) you obtained Opera 7.3, I spent hours today searching, only to run into blind alleys.  <<< yreka - found it - tnx doug >>>

Am suffering Opera 5.0 and need the advanced features that hopefully are in the later  Opera versions (6.x and 7.x).

If I find anything constructive on Zepo I'll share it.

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I'm even considering Zepo as an alternative but don't know if it's worth it. Installing new software is very hard for me as I'm disabled.

 Documentation online says it's just an offline browser.   What does that mean?  If I can't use it to replace Opera for going online, I don't want it.  Is Zepo any better than Opera 5.0?   (I really like the bookmark folders in 7.30.)

My Z is my only web access. I am finding that the upgrade of Opera 7.30 is nifty compared to my old 5.0 but it is causing nothing but problems for me. 

I hate the idea of going back to Opera 5.0 because there are so many nifty features in 7.30, but it screws up my modem settings even when I just use Opera offline.

For example, when it crashes online, I find myself unable to disconnect from the web without rebooting!  My screen just freezes up forever if I tap "Disconnect'  on the modem popup menu.

Is there any way to disable forever Opera's access to my modem and modem settings?    I am running Opera 7.30 on an embedix machine (zaurus sl5500 Rom 2.38).

Any assistance with this would be appreciated!

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2005, 12:22:01 am »
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Never heard of Zepo, offline browsing seems only useful to view stored htm/html data.

Your crashes could be the result of a bad installation or incompatibilties with your O/S (am fielding a question on compatibility).

Would you kindly tell me where (URL) you obtained Opera 7.3, I spent hours today searching, only to run into blind alleys.  <<< yreka - found it - tnx doug >>>

Am suffering Opera 5.0 and need the advanced features that hopefully are in the later  Opera versions (6.x and 7.x).

If I find anything constructive on Zepo I'll share it.

<update> Zepo is basically a lean and mean newsreader, allowing you to D/L news, then later read the data without being connected.  Also, support is rather thin and hasn't  been upgraded in a while.  Don't think you want this unless you're really into news.  HTH

Haven't seen Opera 6.x or 7.x, but my Linux and Windoze versions allow you to work offline by selecting this in the " File " section.

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I'm even considering Zepo as an alternative but don't know if it's worth it. Installing new software is very hard for me as I'm disabled.

 Documentation online says it's just an offline browser.   What does that mean?  If I can't use it to replace Opera for going online, I don't want it.  Is Zepo any better than Opera 5.0?   (I really like the bookmark folders in 7.30.)

My Z is my only web access. I am finding that the upgrade of Opera 7.30 is nifty compared to my old 5.0 but it is causing nothing but problems for me. 

I hate the idea of going back to Opera 5.0 because there are so many nifty features in 7.30, but it screws up my modem settings even when I just use Opera offline.

For example, when it crashes online, I find myself unable to disconnect from the web without rebooting!  My screen just freezes up forever if I tap "Disconnect'  on the modem popup menu.

Is there any way to disable forever Opera's access to my modem and modem settings?    I am running Opera 7.30 on an embedix machine (zaurus sl5500 Rom 2.38).

Any assistance with this would be appreciated!

sdjf
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2005, 11:04:57 am »
(Sorry folks, haven't got the quoting mechanism to work right here despite reading help files, so using e-mail style quoting)

QUOTE(slick55 @ Dec 2 2005, 08:51 PM)
>Your crashes could be the result of a bad installation or incompatibilties with your O/S (am fielding a question on compatibility).

Zaurus memory gets overburdened...this was as true with Opera 5.0 as it is on 7.30, and I believe it is more a  z thing (for both 2.38 and 3.10 ROMS)  than specifically Opera.  The memory issue is discussed in thread  'Opera browser crashes' (you'll likely need the hints there if you do significant browsing).    Opera problems are also discussed in the Opera 7 thread here.

>Am suffering Opera 5.0 and need the advanced features that hopefully are in the later Opera versions (6.x and 7.x).

Bet you'll dig the bookmark folders and ability to toggle viewing schemes to whatever is appropriate.  I find it handy to be able to easily switch between columnar and full page (traditional) display modes.

I crash my Z with 7.30 more than on 5.0 because I can go more places with it, and create more memory problems, but am learning workarounds.  At least 7.30 is less likely to keep downloading data from the web that it has no room for.  I think 5.0 used to just keep downloading anyhow and corrupt whatever application files were open, whereas 7.30 is more likely to shut down and/or let me exit.  

>If I find anything constructive on Zepo I'll share it.
<update> Zepo is basically a lean and mean newsreader, allowing you to D/L news, then later read the data without being connected. Also, support is rather thin and hasn't been upgraded in a while. Don't think you want this unless you're really into news. HTH

So all you can download is news?  We've got to fix Opera 7.30's tendency to do nasty things to the modem settings, I just haven't been able to find out how.

QUOTE(sdjf @ Nov 27 2005, 08:30 AM)

>>I hate the idea of going back to Opera 5.0 because there are so many nifty features in 7.30, but it screws up my modem settings even when I just use Opera offline.

<thoughts from sdjf>I'll bet it stores what it thinks are the modem processes and status somewhere hidden, on the assumption that no other application will change those settings, and maybe even writes over some config or status files without checking consistency with what happened since it last accessed the modem.  That, I think, is an Opera bug if I'm right.

>>For example, when it crashes online, I find myself unable to disconnect from the web without rebooting! My screen just freezes up forever if I tap "Disconnect' on the modem popup menu.

>>Is there any way to disable forever Opera's access to my modem and modem settings?

<thoughts from sdjf>I  know I'm not the only user with  this particular problem.   But, I don't think it will show up unless you try to both browse and do pop/smtp functions in the same online session, and don't notice whether you went online from inside or outside of Opera.

I also have to repeatedly press connect, and then abort, many times to get the modem to actually  connect if I change to a different point of  modem access (ie, access from within opera or outside of opera)  than I used in my last session online.  The modem indicator light goes on, and then flickers out, and nothing stands out in the logs to me other than 'connect script failed'.  

This does not happen if I only use my ISP for pop/smtp, and never happened with opera 5.0, which didn't automatically call up my modem popup menu the way 7.30 does.

Argh,    sdjf
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2005, 09:43:10 am »
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<thoughts from sdjf>I'll bet it stores what it thinks are the modem processes and status somewhere hidden, on the assumption that no other application will change those settings, and maybe even writes over some config or status files without checking consistency with what happened since it last accessed the modem.  That, I think, is an Opera bug if I'm right.

>>For example, when it crashes online, I find myself unable to disconnect from the web without rebooting! My screen just freezes up forever if I tap "Disconnect' on the modem popup menu.
I also have to repeatedly press connect, and then abort, many times to get the modem to actually  connect if I change to a different point of  modem access (ie, access from within opera or outside of opera)  than I used in my last session online.  The modem indicator light goes on, and then flickers out, and nothing stands out in the logs to me other than 'connect script failed'.  

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Come on, doesn't anybody know when and where and how Opera 7.30 accesses the modem settings?   It messes them up even when I don't go online.   If you just know on ROM  3.10 that still would give me some clues for poking around.

Alternatively, is there any way I can clear out whatever inappropriate flags have been set when I see myself able to just tap 'Connect' and have it work properly?  Where is that info?  Somebody's got to know....

Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2005, 09:50:53 am »
Have you tried upgrading the ROM or creating a swap file? The latter might prevent or delay Opera crashing. Netfront is the default browser on the clamshell Zaurus, I wonder if anybody has ported it to the old line. If they have, you can try it. Or, use lynx :-)

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2005, 10:23:59 am »
Hello Felipe,

I do plan on setting up swapping to my SD card, but the modem's settings also get affected even when Opera doesn't crash.


Also, was going to install lynks but don't know where there's a Sharp ROM compatible version.  I don't have a laptop or other web access because of my disability, and the copy a friend grabbed from Killefizz isn't recognized by my installer.  There's info in another thread here about how to change Opie compatible ipk's to Sharp compatible, but my friend hasn't had time to fix it for me.  Also, some sites I need access to really do need images turned on so I'll still want to sometimes use Opera.

With my luck, if I do significant browsing with other applications also open as I paste in information from one place to another, it'll still crash.  And I believe I saw that this problem has not been solved with 3.10.

Anyhow, I still REALLY want to know what the heck is going on with it accessing the modem and changing the settings even when I don't go online and nothing crashes.  It really bugs me there's settings we can't even view from the console.

Thanks,

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2005, 11:12:46 am »
I have no idea what's causing your modem problems, let alone how to fix that. Sorry I can't help there. I have a copy of lynx that I downloaded long ago and I made a quick and dirty ipk of it.lynx.ipk . The actual binary works (it's in my Z)  but it's the first time I put an ipk together, so I make no guarantees.

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2005, 12:33:03 pm »
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I have no idea what's causing your modem problems, let alone how to fix that. Sorry I can't help there. I have a copy of lynx that I downloaded long ago and I made a quick and dirty ipk of it.lynx.ipk . The actual binary works (it's in my Z)  but it's the first time I put an ipk together, so I make no guarantees.

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Thanks, Felipe.  Strange, your link didn't come thru on the public display but I see it in the quote.  I'll try the slightly more guaranteed version first and if that doesn't work, it'll be good to try.  Not into a lot of experimenting...

Somebody's got to know where those hidden files are to see what's going on.  Picture me going nuts repeatedly pushing connect, abort, connect, abort until the green light on my modem stays on instead of flickering out.  Aggravation is an underatatement.  If links/lynx works out, that'll help, but I really would like to not have to worry about getting stuck.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2005, 10:06:26 am »
Sorry, I just tested and the ipk I posted doesn't install. I'll remove it until I figure out what the problem is.

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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2006, 05:09:00 am »
Okay, have done more reading, and Opera apparently looks to see if you're connected to the internet and if doesn't find the setting, then calls up the modem.

Maybe it's looking for the information in a flag or file that's called different things or is in different directories in 3.10 and 2.38.

Can someone tell me where this info is in Sharp ROM 3.1x so I can do a symlink or something?

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