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« on: April 16, 2006, 02:40:38 pm »
I'm starting to think Sharp are taking the p out of Z users

First we had the wzero3- very Z like with phone, camera and FM radio built in but- hurrrgh!- winmobile OS.

Then they tell us they have developed the worlds smallest wifi chips- exactly what Z users have been after (yeah, I know about the 6000 but I prefer the clamshell design)

Now they unleash a mobile phone with full VGA screen- the 904sh. If they can cram 640x480 into that form factor then there's no excuse for not being able to do 800x600 in a clamshell Z, yet this comes at the same time as the massively disappointing 3200 which brought us none of these potential upgrades. Some might argue that no new hardware is good as it means the OZ devs, sashz, maslovsky and co. don't have the headache of supporting a new platform but that just re-enforces Sharps total lack of interest in Z software development.

Sharp today are so much like Commodore in there heyday- amazing technology but couldn't sell water in the desert. With more effort the Z could be the undisputed champion of portable computing yet it seems Sharp can't be bothered. Sad.
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2006, 03:37:33 pm »
agreed!
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 07:08:45 am »
I think there are several reasons, IE price, those 800x600 screens arnet a small jump in price, its more like an order of magnitude, also i dont belive the Z would benifit form more Res, sure you want it but even at a small price increse the performance to cost would be way off

not to mention the CPU, im not sure it could handel a screen that large without a performanc hit and updating would be a pain, as it is 640x480  is larger than the sram that is supposed to be used as the frame buffer and therefore its using the SDRAM as a framebuffer, the pxa's are memorey bus hungry beasts anyway and i think this would degrade performance without a video card

what you should be asking is why sharp didnt include a 2700g video card and VGA out if you wanted a bigger screen as 800x600 will just make everything smaller or higher res at the same physical size (ie in inches/cm)

i would not be supprised if sharp pulls the z line soon or revawps it, but i think they would pull it rather than redo it
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 09:30:02 am »
The zaurus is very popular in japan and with the hype of umpc's, sharp has the potential to tap a market the umpc's will not fill.  A revamped zaurus (bigger screen, smaller size, GSM, wifi, bluetooth and better software added to existing  features) would be a hot commodity.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2006, 10:29:13 am »
Da_Blitz-

Yeah- 2700g was pretty near the top of my list of 'Why didn't they's with the 3200, just pipped by more RAM, wifi, bluetooth and USB 2.0

Surely with a 2700g, 800x600 wouldn't be a problem. 800x600 would make the Z much better for playing videos as it would then be able to handle 720x480 vids without resizing. Also, there are a few progs which don't quite fit onto 640x480- k3b springs to mind but that wouldn't be much fun without the USB2 host.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2006, 10:52:03 pm »
true, but real linux people use dvdrecord

the 2700G would be godd plus it can do 1280x1024, usb 2.0 wont happen, there are PDAs on the market that say they are usb 2.0 compatible but they are just telling half truths, they are just 12mbps devices (full speed?) but are OTG compotible (which was introduced in the 2.0 spec) the funny thing is that they dont do the usb host/client thing and are tecicannly only 1.1 campatimble as far as i know there are only 2 other PDA's besides the z's that are host capable

im all for the 2700g if i can find a supplier and that last IO pin i need
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 05:28:06 am »
My feeling is that most Zaurus users in Japan are not Linux users. That is, they use the Zaurus as a PDA and don't really care about doing most of the advanced stuff that the people in this forum try to do. Of course there are many exceptions, but on the whole this is true. Non-Japanese Zaurus users are almost all power users, since they had to go to the trouble of importing the unit, converting it to Japanese, etc. So we're talking about a different set of priorities. Lots of non-Japanese users like to try and use their Zaurus as a laptop replacement, so having wi-fi and bluetooth just makes sense. But in Japan wi-fi and bluetooth aren't as common as they are in the US, and in any case most people will be using the Zaurus on the go, where wi-fi connections aren't easy to find. On the other hand, you have CF-sized cellular modems that give you relatively high speed Internet access throughout most of Japan.

My point is that it's not really fair to say that Sharp doesn't know what its doing with the Zaurus. It knows exactly what it's doing. It's just that Sharp's priorities are those of the Japanese market, which don't jibe with what most of us want. It would make no sense for them to cater to a few thousand foreign enthusiasts while ignoring their domestic market. Apparently it's things like extra dictionaries and (god help us) video golf lessons that make a lot of people buy Zauruses in Japan, and not things like wi-fi. This may change in the future, but for now we just have to realize that we're buying something that wasn't really intended for our market and make the best of it. (And just for the record, I would LOVE internal wi-fi on my Zaurus.)

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2006, 01:11:28 am »
they could at least include wifi+128MB RAM/ROM, 2700g would be nice for the existing screen, 640x480 fits 99% of what I need.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2006, 03:22:13 pm »
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as far as i know there are only 2 other PDA's besides the z's that are host capable

lol, no there's a lot of pda's that can do usb host. even back in 1999.

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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2006, 04:05:19 pm »
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as far as i know there are only 2 other PDA's besides the z's that are host capable

lol, no there's a lot of pda's that can do usb host. even back in 1999.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2006, 07:51:34 pm »
cmonex is possibly referring to pdas using CF to USB adapter card, whereas Da_Blitz is talking about built-in USB host.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2006, 07:45:47 am »
Mr Blitz

There are probably more but at least both the HTC uni and the PSP feature USB2. A friend of mine owns both and you DO get hi-speed (more than 1.x MB/s) usb2 transfer rates on the PSP but I'm not sure he's properly tested USB on his uni- he's waiting for a stable Linux distro

Command line burning tools are fine for just burning iso images or copying discs but I'd hate to have to have to author even a moderately complex data disc from the command line.

What about CF USB2 cards? Does such a thing exist?
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2006, 04:33:54 pm »
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Mr Blitz

There are probably more but at least both the HTC uni and the PSP feature USB2. A friend of mine owns both and you DO get hi-speed (more than 1.x MB/s) usb2 transfer rates on the PSP but I'm not sure he's properly tested USB on his uni- he's waiting for a stable Linux distro

Command line burning tools are fine for just burning iso images or copying discs but I'd hate to have to have to author even a moderately complex data disc from the command line.

What about CF USB2 cards? Does such a thing exist?
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I wouldn't call the PSP a PDA though, even though it is capable of running a fairly wide variety of software. There's no decent means of data entry (among other problems).

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2006, 05:09:56 pm »
We seen this same scenario last year a few performance upgrades here and there. I would much rather Sharp spend there time building up to a perfect machine then hurry and produce one with glitches and non functionality. Its easy for a company to look at these forums and develop a machine that can do what we ask but when it shows up its never as it was expected. Many have went out and purchased other machines besides the Zaurus but still love the machine there is nothing comparable. Maslovsky and others who have taken there time to develop software for this machine have not had to drastically change anything but can instead improve upon what they have done. I think this does more for us. I say lets work up to a great machine rather than rush one out thats less than perfect. If Sharp put out a Z that sucked they would lose a lot more customers then putting out a unit with a small upgrade. Only complaint I have is that if there marketing dept. had a clue and knew how to sale products in the U.S they would not be able to keep up with supply and demand.
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2006, 07:04:47 am »
dont think i mentioned the psp, thats 2.0 as far as i know

i had an iso or 2 that i had to burn and couldnt find the tools, puls i dont use a gui on my Z, to make a CD you just have to make folder and build the image there (use symlinks for space if you have to)
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