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« on: August 07, 2006, 06:16:00 am »
Hello,

although I'm quite satisfied with "StageOne!" as an outliner for the Zaurus and KDEPIM/PI for recording journals, I'm looking for an application which can be used for outlining and quick note taking in form of a journal (i.e. date / time stamp automatically added etc.) in combination, which is usable on the Zaurus and any (Linux) PC and / or Mac.

Preferably open-source, preferably with a plain ASCII file format (XML maybe) and a simple outlining display (may be text mode, it may even be a console program).

Of course a powerful search feature would be required, as well as easy browsing through the files.

Links between files and to specific locations within one file would be good.
And export of parts of a file to HTML or XML is necessary.


Does anyone know of an application like that?
Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2006, 06:49:31 am »
Emacs or vim with some wiki mode? One editor to bind them all.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2006, 07:03:29 am »
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Emacs or vim with some wiki mode? One editor to bind them all.
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I don't know emacs too well. But if it does all that, I'm willing to learn its usage.
Is there a good emacs package for Sharp / Cacko ROM or would it be better to install pdaXrom instead?
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2006, 07:36:01 am »
This depends on whether you're willing to work on the terminal (qkonsole). Working on the terminal isn't that bad once you got used to it.

I personally use vim 6.3 + viki plugin on qkonsole. Some years ago I used emacs + wiki-mode which was similar. Both have some kind of outline capabilities that probably need some tuning to get a proper outliner experience -- but I'd assume there are modes/plugins that do this for you.

There is (a slightly outdated) emacs or xemacs (can't remember) ipkg for the sharp rom on some japanese sourceforge site that appeared to work well (but on the terminal). Shouldn't be too difficult to find. For pdaxrom a gtk+ based vim package is around somewhere IIRC. I don't know about a x-based emacs package but I'd assume that something like that is somewhere out there too.

By using vim or emacs you'd get full cross-plattform compatibility which is the main reason for why I'd use either one.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2006, 07:54:17 am »
So far I have tried the following outliners among many others with linking (and perhaps with date/time insertion) and kinda like these two most:

Sharp/Cacko: Ebt
A very interesing outliner app under active development. Different from most other outliners the notes use cross-linking and not strict hierarchical arrangement. Also supports hyperlinks and grapics insertion (perhaps other stuff in the latest version as well). I only tried up to 0.3.x long ago and couldn't get HTML export working. Perhaps things are much streamlined now. I happen to see the app now branches into two different versions, Ebt and Ebt lite, but haven't tried them yet so can't tell you more.
Developer's site: http://tio.cocolog-nifty.com/irrational/zaurus/index.html
Previous discussion: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9963

pdaXrom: NoteCase
Similar to TuxCards, NoteCase also organize notes hierarchically.  Although the interface is less good-looking than TuxCards' and does not have date/time insertion, NoteCase can take  web links and file links. Export to HTML and TXT work well, despite the simple formatting. It can also import from XML, which I haven't tried. It is GTK app so the current multi-language inputmethods (SCIM, UIM, etc) work very well with it.
Developer's site: http://notecase.sourceforge.net/
Previous discussion: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16816
(There is also a simple GTK journal taking app Cire, which I also like very much, discussed in this thread)

There are also VIMoutliner and the plannel plugin for Emac which are working in Zaurus, but they still appear to be meant for programmers mainly because of the myriad collections of commands and syntax.

Also, I remember there was some discussion about GTDTiddlyWiki ( http://shared.snapgrid.com/index.html ), and I'm not sure if it is working with the browsers on Zaurus.

Hope it helps.

Really look forward to seeing more discussion about outliners and other practical solutions in the forum(s), apart from the wealth of hacking and tweaking information.  

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2006, 08:11:33 am »
Forgot to mention that zim ( http://zoidberg.student.utwente.nl/zim/ ), a Gtk2-Perl wiki outliner, also looks quite promising. I've tried to compile a pdaXrom version but the app depends on other cpan perl modules such as Build, File-BaseDir, File-DesktopEntry, FileMimeinfo, and perhaps a few more, which go beyond my rudimentary knowledge to build with the natice SDK...  
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2006, 05:07:37 pm »
Leo is a python app with XML file format, a "general data management environment" more for programmers out of the box but many powerful features to adapt to other uses. Perhaps too many and too powerful features for someoone looking just for an outliner though.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 06:24:28 am »
there is wznotes(beta) but it needs to be converted to english(I already started) and compiled(when I get some time) its from the maker of abookreader.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 07:25:05 am »
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Leo is a python app with XML file format, a "general data management environment" more for programmers out of the box but many powerful features to adapt to other uses. Perhaps too many and too powerful features for someoone looking just for an outliner though.
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Wow, Leo looks extremely interesting!
Did you (or anyone else) get this to work on pdaXrom yet?
Is it an out-of-the-box thing, or do I need additoinal python modules, does the source need tweaking for VGA / input issues or anything?

I'm not familiar with Python yet, so I may need some starting help here.

If noone tried it yet, I'll try it and report.

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 11:51:57 am »
I use org-mode in emacs with xqt.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 11:58:01 am »
First Leo results: "can not import leoGlobals"
I'll create another thread for this one.

emacs:
thanks for the tip. I'll look into that!

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2006, 01:05:46 pm »
I've been trying to get gjot2 running on pdaXrom. It is a great yet simple python app so no need to do any special compilation.  

http://bhepple.freeshell.org/gjots/

The problem here is the dependency:

pygtk > python-gnome, pyorbit > gjots2.

So far I have managed to get the deps compiled, but still get "ImportError: no module named gnome.ui" when running gjots2. After googling a bit, pyorbit seems to be the key. Need some more time to investigate and may start a new thread.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2006, 01:09:24 pm »
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I've been trying to get gjot2 running on pdaXrom. It is a great yet simple python app so no need to do any special compilation. 

http://bhepple.freeshell.org/gjots/

The problem here is the dependency:

pygtk > python-gnome, pyorbit > gjots2.

So far I have managed to get the deps compiled, but still get "ImportError: no module named gnome.ui" when running gjots2. After googling a bit, pyorbit seems to be the key. Need some more time to investigate and may start a new thread.
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Similar problems as I have with Treeline and Leo...
I'm not sure I still want something Python-based.  
No Python-app I have tried so far worked.

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2006, 01:13:44 pm »
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I've been trying to get gjot2 running on pdaXrom. It is a great yet simple python app so no need to do any special compilation. 

http://bhepple.freeshell.org/gjots/

The problem here is the dependency:

pygtk > python-gnome, pyorbit > gjots2.

So far I have managed to get the deps compiled, but still get "ImportError: no module named gnome.ui" when running gjots2. After googling a bit, pyorbit seems to be the key. Need some more time to investigate and may start a new thread.
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Similar problems as I have with Treeline and Leo...
I'm not sure I still want something Python-based.  
No Python-app I have tried so far worked.

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So very likely it seems to be an issue with the deps. Not absolutely sure if the original pygtk package is enough, but I have to recompiled that to build python-gnome and pyorbit (not available to pdaXrom yet).  Let me try LEO and perhaps also start a new thread somewhere later today.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2006, 02:32:19 pm »
Here's a good short article on how to use LEO for PIM:

http://jtauber.com/blog/2004/05/15/using_t...tliner_as_a_pim

Still waiting for my C1000 to finish (re)compiling the python stuff before trying it out...

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