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« on: September 18, 2007, 01:09:37 pm »
Hi,

I had no hits when searching for "titchy" here, so I thought I'd mention it exists.

Titchy homepage

It is a debian arm system that comes with very nice instructions and an installer.
(it's not armel, no need to compile you're own kernel, no ... - it justs works)

Those looking for native debian on the Z, this seems to be it.

Have fun,
Chero.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2007, 02:58:54 pm »
Anybody know a good way to dual-boot this? Would installing it, then installing uBoot, then installing r198 work (if you held down whatever key on a reboot)?
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 03:24:21 pm »
Nice!  Thanks for bringing this up!!

The instructions on the Titchy page look rather brief. So here are two quick questions:
1) What kind of packages does this debian take? EABI or the ordinary ARM?
2) Any toolchain for compiling stuff?

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2007, 03:27:40 pm »
Wow...That didn't take long...I already broke down and am installing it on my Z ASAP!
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 03:33:43 pm »
Looking forwarding to your hands-on report!  

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2007, 04:32:03 pm »
Hmm...It fails loading the installer components from the "CD" any thoughts? I'll try recopying it, but other thoughts are welcome.
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 04:37:51 pm »
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Hmm...It fails loading the installer components from the "CD" any thoughts? I'll try recopying it, but other thoughts are welcome.
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They talk about this in the "comments" section of the site.
I didn't have this problem, but I used the netinst cd image. I thought this could help me with dhcp, but that was a no go. Once I entered the config manually, everything went smoothly.

It is not eabi, and it uses etch as default. I saw dj0 is running lenny, but I don't know how he did it.

You don't really need more explanation, the installer guides you ...

Abiword - firefox - evolution - gnumeric - gpe-contacts - gpe-todo - dillo - nano - leafpad - xfce - gdm - ... : everything works.

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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 04:45:53 pm »
It gave an input/output error...Switching VTs and remounting the SD card seems to make it work. Going (slowly) on.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 04:48:24 pm »
So it uses the official ARM packages, is that right?
Then there should be a GCC toolchain?
Do networking, screen rotation and over/under-clocking work?
I suppose the silkscreen keys don't work, do they?
So many questions pop up now because it's very exciting news...

Sorry one more: how can the system upgrade?
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 04:55:50 pm »
The installer screen is rotated, which is irritating. It appears it is normal normally, though.

Yes, it uses the normal Debian-ARM packages, and AFAIK there is a toolchain. If there isn't, I'll be switching back mighty quick.

Networking (both USB and CF Wi-Fi) supposedly work, I haven't tested yet (still installing)

As for the SD reading issues I was having, it's probably due to my not properly unmounting my card from my laptop after the driver went haywire.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 05:10:38 pm »
Great!  I am also going to try this out once my 3200 finishes compiling Evolution for OpenBSD 4.2 (main package done, just a few dependent packges left...).
If there is a native toolchain, then now Z has both Debian and OpenBSD as the *standard* distros. Isn't it cool?
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 05:19:07 pm »
I agree, it is awesome. I'm looking forward to having the same OS on my Zaurus as I do on my other computers.

On a different note, I REALLY wish I hadn't accidentally started the install from a mirror instead of the CD. It's taking forever!

EDIT: Chero, is the X server the full Xorg, or is it kdrive/some other stripped down X server?
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 06:09:24 pm »
Can titchy be modified to allow installation to a SD card for C1000s?

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2007, 07:47:53 pm »
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Can titchy be modified to allow installation to a SD card for C1000s?
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i don't think so. the kernel supplied with titchy is precompiled and probably set to boot of the internal hd. but there are other ways to put debian on  a C1000. i tried to put debian rootfs on nand. but it's is just too big for it. the base system fits but not much else. then i tried putting it on an sd card and i succeeded. but still, i had a feeling that it was just too big especially when you start installing things with apt-get. for instance, xfce4 is almost 100MB when installed with apt-get. and don't forget that our sd drivers work in mmc compatibility mode which makes them quite slow, maybe too slow for putting rootfs on an sd card... here are the links if you still wanna try:

[a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24589&hl=debian]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...24589&hl=debian[/url]
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...23773&hl=debian

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 08:30:26 pm »
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Nice!  Thanks for bringing this up!!

The instructions on the Titchy page look rather brief. So here are two quick questions:
1) What kind of packages does this debian take? EABI or the ordinary ARM?

Ordinary arm.  But the guy who set this up seems to be thinking about armel for the future. 

2) Any toolchain for compiling stuff?

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gcc?  You mean something like bitbake (which I never could get to install), no.  All this is is the kernel, x server, enough utilities to get going, and then you go find your nearest debian mirror.  Simple as that, and it all works.

I don't know whether titchy deserves the credit for this, but wifi works so much better on this than with anything else I have used on my zaurus, it's amazing.  It just works.  Put it to sleep, wake it up, and it sniffs out the network again and sets it up.  With Angstrom, I had to re-run ifup wlan0 each time it woke up.  But it could be worse, with OZ I had to re-boot.  Same card, same machine.

This is the only distribution for the Z3100 that will let me do what I want, and use this as a --- computer.
Zaurus:  SL C3100
ROM:  eabi debian/sid