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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2004, 06:37:04 am »
Have to agree with padishah_emperor to a great degree.

One factor is how much text entry you do. My brother is an experienced computer *user* but not a true wirehead. He does much less text than I do. His main need is solid, easy to use PIM software to run his business. So he is a Palm user. The C860 would be MAJOR overkill for him.

One of the pathologists here at work is writing a book. Pocket portability is less important to him than a *full* sized keyboard & screen with full desktop compatibility. The C860 would be unsuitable for his needs, so he carries a notebook system.

I love my C860, but, to be honest, in many ways the PIM software on my old 200LX was significantly more powerful and flexible than the same types of software that I been able to locate for the Z. But, OTOH, the Z has abilities that the HP could never even hope to achieve.

You use the tool that suits the needs and does the job best for YOU. The power inherent in the C860 comes concurrent with less \"ease of use\". But if you are a \"hacker\" of the old, original tradition ..... this little machine will totally blow your mind and have you salivating like Pavlov\'s dogs!


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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2004, 07:34:05 am »
I\'m sorry, but Icant\'t share your views (at least not in this thread ;-)) You really don\'t have to be \"a hacker in the old tradition\" to have some use and fun withe Zaurus. It\'s mostly gui-based and you find lot\'s of information how to use it in the net. I\'m no hacker at all, just a linux user and to me Palm devices and Pocket PCs are as interesting as a MP3 Player or a Videorecoder or a  router: you configure them once and then forget about them. I use them without thinking at all. The Zaurus is different. It\'s a much more open device, just like a PC.
To me, Guest made a quite wellinformed impression. I don\'t think he was looking for palm, but was asking, whether the Z would provide the functionality he needs for his work.
Of course I do agree, that the Z would be probably the best choice for a \"real hacker\" as well :-)
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2004, 07:55:54 am »
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I love my C860, but, to be honest, in many ways the PIM software on my old 200LX was significantly more powerful and flexible than the same types of software that I been able to locate for the Z. .

This app runs on the Z.

And I doubt, that there is a PIM App for another PDA, which is compareable.

http://www.pi-sync.net/html/overview.html

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2004, 08:35:57 am »
Hi Padisha_Emperor and Yodabob

Thanks so much for your insights/tips on this issue. I have been running desktop Linux for a while(written some php/MySQL web pages for work to present and query stats over the web(Apache) and draw graphs etc.). I love the fact that it is Linux. The need for Word/Excel compatibility would basically only be to view mail attachmenst etc. so basic compatibility is all I require.

At work all our meetings are scheduled on Outlook, so basic syncing would be handy to keep all my meetings etc. with me. (If I had anything to say about it, our company would only use Linux, but try and get that into I.T. people\'s brains which is stumped the second they don\'t have buttons to click :-) )

The REAL reason I need(OK, ok WANT a C860) is to use it over Bluetooth and my Nokia 6600 to retrieve corporate e-mail and SSH into the Solaris and Linux boxes I administer. Also to do some shell scripting and Perl programming while on-the-go. I am on standby a lot and want to be able to dial-in to the boxes while on the move, else I need to drive home everytime I get a call-out to dial in via ISDN.

I have not receievd any replies from ryouma(the e-bay guy) in the last two days on my questions, so I am starting to wonder... Another possibility is Brando(www.shop.brando.com.hk), they seem to be cheap - I just don\'t know how reliable. Anyway, my quest to find a C860 continues....

Thanks again for the help!

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2004, 09:07:41 am »
The Z is the ultimate device for Linux lovers and \'classically trained\' computer users/hackers.  I am convinced though that a Z is an overkill for Windows *users* who want a standard PDA or need MS Office interchange as a priority. If you buy one, just on looks or because you like the screen or keyboard that may not by the best criterion for decision.  I think of the Z as more of a blank canvas, you tailor it to your needs, make your own device from it, but to get the most, you have to treat it like any other Linux desktop or laptop, the shell is there, lurking like a Golem. The GUI is fine, to a point only, beyond which the mysteries and shamanic rituals of the shell come into play. If runs any flavour of UNIX I\'m at home, be it a PDP-11 or my Sun, Debian or Zaurus. But I\'ve seen here on ZUG and in the real world, people run into dead ends an get disappointed because they spend a lot of money and then realise they can\'t do X or Y, they could, but it would require \'getting your hands dirty\'. I can\'t advise about wifi or bluetooth, because I don\'t trust anything that doesn\'t have a cable, I\'m a proud luddite at times :-) Anyway, there\'s enough EM radiation flying about and I am already as mad as a moonstruck cow.

I agree with vishnja on most things ;-)

If the original poster reads my inane jibber: don\'t be put off, rather see this as an opportunity to learn something good and worthwhile, the Z more than any machine in a LONG time has re-invigourated my love of computing, the Z will provide a nice GUI and apps for most things, plus like any **real computer or OS** there is power brimming under the surface, all you need is a bit of determination and you can make it do anything.

In short: like Linux? Love the Z.

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2004, 09:09:32 am »
Oh fart!
That was me, got logged out. Plus I see the poster has replied.
Left Linux and Linux PDAs... sorry, got boring.  Switched to Mac.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2004, 09:13:24 am »
Not sure as I said above about the bluetooth/nokia stuff, others here on ZUG will have more experience in that arena, but the info you just posted shows you would get a lot from a Z.

Perl, scripting etc are all doable of course, it\'s Linux! Oh my, get one - GET ONE!

You will LOVE IT.

Join us, give yourself to the darkside... ;-)
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2004, 09:58:57 am »
Dang, I\'m the original poster, I surf from home and from my laptop at work and then I forget to log in. Just noticed now that Padisha_Emperor mentioned not being logged in himself!

WOW  :shock: , the Ko/Pi PIM from Zautrix looks AMAZING, should satisfy all my PIM needs for sure! We are not worthy, Zautrix, any chance of some programming tutorials etc. for the Zaurus any time soon? That will REALLY be great! This is the type of thing that seems to elevate the Z above all other \"wannabe\" types(i.e. palm, Hp etc).

My only pain now is to actually get my grubby paws on one! I live in South Africa, and you guessed it, I can\'t use Paypal, moneybookers or Westernunion to pay. I have to go the olde International Money Transfer route .... ugh. I am so worried some unscrupulous dude steals my money - then no more C860 infatuation!

Anyway, seems like Brando, Hi-Tech and the e-bay guy seems to be my best bet at the moment. Some good comments from other ppl that have delt with the e-bay guy though, but I see Brando offers 12 mont warranty, and hi-tech seems to be the cheapest...decisions, decisions!  :?

Thanks again for all the responses, I hope I can get one soon so I can also start contributing to this community!

Darkside, here I come!...
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2004, 01:18:40 pm »
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The REAL reason I need(OK, ok WANT a C860) is to use it over Bluetooth and my Nokia 6600 to retrieve corporate e-mail and SSH into the Solaris and Linux boxes I administer. Also to do some shell scripting and Perl programming while on-the-go. I am on standby a lot and want to be able to dial-in to the boxes while on the move, else I need to drive home everytime I get a call-out to dial in via ISDN.

I do this frequently and is why I orginally got the 5500 and now my c860 and switched to T-mobile/T610 for the bluetooth and the unlimited GPRS for $20/month.   And the battery life is excellent.  I use my c860/T610 combo on and off all day with little impact.

For perl I have been using the 5.6.1 ipk.  It is smaller than 5.8.0 and works for me (mostly network/socket codes).  I will try building a 5.8.4 ipk soon and try to reduce the size.  PerlQT is on my list too.

For personal email I use the native Sharp email client, however my ISP requires SSL for SMTP/POP3/IMAP.  For now I SSH to my shell account forward pop3/smtp and point the email client to localhost.  I\'ll figure out stunnel later.  My ISP also has web mail, and with the c860 resolution that is fine too.

For corp email we use Lotus Notes and I need a Windows only tunnel to get in.  I use qtrdesktop to get to my XP machine to run the tunnel and read my email.

Other must have apps:

X/qt for X11 applications
Ethereal (X11 app)
nmap with qt frontend
kismet and kismet qt
qpdf
qpe gaim

I must add that when running 10 apps you can get low on RAM.  No worries just plug in an SD card and create a 64K swap file and double your memory.

What else beside the Z can do all that?  And fit in your pocket?

If you had told me 15 years ago that I would have a VGA, wireless, pocket UNIX workstation, I would have laughed in your face.

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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2004, 01:48:47 pm »
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Darkside, here I come!...

Amen to that.

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2004, 02:47:32 pm »
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I have not receievd any replies from ryouma(the e-bay guy) in the last two days on my questions, so I am starting to wonder... Another possibility is Brando(www.shop.brando.com.hk), they seem to be cheap - I just don\'t know how reliable. Anyway, my quest to find a C860 continues....

Yeah, they all might be on \"Golden week holidays\" right now...

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2282.html
http://japanupdate.com/en/?id=5666

Good luck in finding your Zaurus!

cheers,
Kathrin
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2004, 02:52:42 pm »
Join us, give yourself to the darkside...

Resistance is futile!

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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2004, 02:57:10 pm »
Call me Luck.

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If you had told me 15 years ago that I would have a VGA, wireless, pocket UNIX workstation, I would have laughed in your face.

The Zaurus SL-C760 with its PXA255 400Mhz 64Mo RAM 128Mo flash is faster and more powerful than most 6 years old laptop. I\'m sure that Linux gourou + hacker + normal user can share its power without fighting. Just feel the force arround you and understand the Zaurus wealth.

Apparently the Zaurus is the best selled PDA in Japan. Consequently, there\'s two solutions for dark site people:

1. All Japanese are hacker or Linux gourou.
2. In Japan, they think that a Zaurus is for the mass market but they are all wrong.

Have a nice day.

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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2004, 03:08:24 pm »
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Apparently the Zaurus is the best selled PDA in Japan. Consequently, there\'s two solutions for dark site people:

1. All Japanese are hacker or Linux gourou.
2. In Japan, they think that a Zaurus is for the mass market but they are all wrong.

*LOL*

You took the biscuit!

K.
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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2004, 03:32:32 pm »
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Apparently the Zaurus is the best selled PDA in Japan. Consequently, there\'s two solutions for dark site people:

1. All Japanese are hacker or Linux gourou.
2. In Japan, they think that a Zaurus is for the mass market but they are all wrong.

Nope, I really don\'t get it.