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« on: June 01, 2004, 02:09:55 pm »
Noitced today that Sony is doing what sharp did.

http://www.brighthand.com/article/sayonara_clie


Looks like consumer PDA market is drying up  :shock:

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2004, 02:50:43 pm »
I\'m sorry to read that.  I think that Sony made some of the nicest PalmOS units.

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2004, 03:31:52 pm »
Don\'t forget the current state of the dollar. It makes it much more expensive to shovel stuff into the states from other countries. I\'m sure it\'s a factor in the decision.

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2004, 03:46:52 pm »
Are they refering to the Sony half-VGA clamshell with camera devices as well?  If so, then that is yet another Clam Shell market that has disappeared.  Since the HP 200LX, IBM PC-110, Toshiba Libretto, and Sony Picturebook Viao... all VGA Clamshell devices... and each lasted a few years and then disappeared.  Are Zaurus Clamshells next?  I bought my SL-C860 new instead of later because I feared that it may not exist later.

Don\'t get me wrong.  I don\'t think Zaurus will go away... but clamshells usually don\'t last long in the market... I have NO IDEA WHY, though.  I think Clamshells are superior, so I don\'t understand why companies keep pulling their Clamshell devices after only a few years of service...

Any ideas?
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2004, 06:20:25 pm »
I don\'t think the SL-C series will disappear because Japan sure loves it! and so do we~!
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2004, 06:54:32 pm »
I\'ve been reading about that somewhere else, makes me laugh to be honest, I never trusted Sony as far as I could throw em, they treated their customers like scum and brought out so many machines so fast it really made me feel bad once I\'d invested in their Clie. Needless to say I got rid of mine quickly and got my first Z.  It doesn\'t surprise me one bit, I just pity all those people who wasted their money buying them and the people who even here on ZUG viciously defended their UX50\'s.

I\'ve known for a while that this was coming, they touted the Clie as a PDA/Entertainment device, with the PSP coming, the Clie had to move aside.  I also would not be too surprised if you see a PocketPC based machine or two over the next 18 months.

Tony, I know you look for any product with any kind of clamshell dying as a prophetic sign of apocalypse but I think it\'s irrational, products come and go regardless of shape or size, regardless of VGA divisable size screens. No product nowadays is produced for too long, no profit in it. Two years is an eternity is business. They constantly want to make newer, faster and moreover more profitable goods to sell to eager buyers with full wallets.

You WILL see Sharp pull the plug on the 6000 within a relatively short period, even the Cxxx machines, but something I think most people outside Japan just don\'t get is that the Zaurus has been around a very very long time, long before Linux was adopted. It\'s an established brand probably more so than Clie or PPC, it would not be profitable for them to end that brand just yet.

In short, the Z is a Japanese specific machine, despite the odd machines which are available for short periods globally.  This will always remain so.  Microsoft has a market to protect, it would crush Sharp if it needed to.  So we must be content with what we have, and occasionally go through hell and back to import one for our own pleasure.

Unless the next PalmOS is really unbelievably good, that too will fade within 5 years in to history with EPOC et al. You notice 3rd parties adopting PalmOS, then after a while leaving it, I can\'t help wonder why. But short of establishing a multi-million dollar co-operative to guarantee the production of our beloved machines, we too are at the mercy of men in suits far far away who don\'t care about us, just profit and statistics.  Welcome to the New World Order and globalism.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2004, 08:44:15 am »
I agree with all that you wrote.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2004, 04:01:28 am »
Wait a second, in the new world order, I thought I was supposed to be supreme rular or the Earth !?!

Darn it !

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2004, 05:45:50 am »
No, I\'m supposed to be the the 81st Padishah Emperor, Ruler of the Known Universe based at my Imperial Palace on Kaitain. It\'s a dream I have. ;-)  I have pretentions to be a living God Emperor, but I\'d need 4000 years to mutate a bit...

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2004, 07:51:23 am »
A clamshell PDA is clumsy to handle on the go. I\'ve tried one of the Sony Clie ones and I disliked it.

If the SL-6000 dries up then perhaps I can finally pick one up at a decent price. I refuse to spend $600 knowing its software will probably be lacking. I use my 5x00 every day but its frustrating nature and its short, short battery life are making me lean back to a Palm.

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2004, 08:04:06 am »
What do you mean elvis? The zaurus cl series is both clamshell and standard pda.....just rotate the screen! (admittedly if you wanna use keyboard....5x00/6000 has a small advantage).
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2004, 09:06:43 am »
Can you take a Cxxx Zaurus out of your pocket, quickly turn it on and look at a Calendar appointment and then put it back in your pocket, all with only *one* hand? I\'m sure with a bit of practice you could manage to open the lid with one hand and so on, but I doubt it would be quick and I wouldn\'t want to do it quickly for fear of dropping such an expensive gadget.

The clamshell design is great for the fact that it forms its own case and gives you a much bigger keyboard, but it is not as effecient as the standard portrait form for normal PDA usage.

Now if there was a way of keeping a Cxxx Zaurus in portrait mode without any danger of the screen being damaged then that would be very cool.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2004, 09:11:03 am »
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Now if there was a way of keeping a Cxxx Zaurus in portrait mode without any danger of the screen being damaged then that would be very cool.


It\'s called a case  

....just make one to your liking.  Cases are cheap enough to find or make one that is easy-open in portrait and usable in landscape...Best of BOTH worlds.

Personally, I love the 5500, but spent the extra $$ for a c860 on Three things: 1) Keyboard 2) Screen. 3) Clamshell.  

6000 only has one, it is worth about $300 to me.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2004, 09:48:32 am »
Here\'s a nice case that I bought that allows you to achieve this (leave the cxxx in portrait mode):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=3089634362

It adds a little bulk to the pda (cxxx fits snug/perfect, though) and it has an extremely soft interior for screen protection.  Add a screen protector and there you go...

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2004, 09:52:28 am »
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A clamshell PDA is clumsy to handle on the go. I\'ve tried one of the Sony Clie ones and I disliked it.  


That\'s why they made the SL-Cxxx able to transform between clamshell and PDA.  I love having clamshell, but I understand what you mean about those times when you only have 1 hand available and no table... and having it in PDA position is better for that.  The SL-Cxxx series is the best of both worlds (minus it not having Wifi yet)

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Can you take a Cxxx Zaurus out of your pocket, quickly turn it on and look at a Calendar appointment and then put it back in your pocket, all with only *one* hand?


Yes... you just do as the 6000 series does... you leave it with the screen exposed.  It\'s not very safe, but neither is the 6000 screen.

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Now if there was a way of keeping a Cxxx Zaurus in portrait mode without any danger of the screen being damaged then that would be very cool.


Aren\'t all PDA form Zauri suseptable to the same screen damage?  Isn\'t that why they made it so that Zaurus SL-Cxxx could close with the screen on the inside (if wanted)?
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