KDEPim/Pi official announcement

[bluedevils]

I suspect that the KDE PIM for the Zaurus is just on leg 2 of many to come.  (fingers crossed)

other posts by zaultrix have indicated that other kde apps are not in the future for him or ulf.

roderickv, the ability you describe is already in kopi/kapi.  When editting or making a new todo or event, click on the attendees tab.  You will see the addressbook button within that tab.  When an alarm goes off or the event viewer, it will have an attendees section which links you to their contact information.  I use it all the time.

[ulf1]

I tried to extract the file (outlook2000.zip) into the folder that you had indicated, but I cant seem to find the folder based on your description.

Please advise if there is any other way to use the template.

Thanks


Choonhow

Choonhow,

the csv-templates sub folder does not exist right after the installation. But you can KA/Pi let create the folder for you, by storing a dummy-template from within the cvs import dialog.
After you created and stored the dummy template, the folder can be found. Copy the outlook desktop file into the newly created directory and restart KA/Pi.


Ulf

[choonhow]

I tried to extract the file (outlook2000.zip) into the folder that you had indicated, but I cant seem to find the folder based on your description.

Please advise if there is any other way to use the template.

Thanks


Choonhow

Choonhow,

the csv-templates sub folder does not exist right after the installation. But you can KA/Pi let create the folder for you, by storing a dummy-template from within the cvs import dialog.
After you created and stored the dummy template, the folder can be found. Copy the outlook desktop file into the newly created directory and restart KA/Pi.


Ulf

Hi Ulf1,

Thanks for the explanation. I had roderickv's instructions previously and got the template working.

Anyway, I appreciate the effort that you guys are putting in for PIM software.
Thanks a lot.

Cheers

[roderickv]

bluedevils,
Did not know that! Just tried it and it works, thanks! I Played around with it for a bit longer and found out that I don't need to set the alarm or wait on a past due event for it to work either. You can view your daily summery view ( not sure what the proper name is for that view sorry), tap on any event or todo there and the viewer opens with the link to the Contact right under Attendees . Great!!!

[zautrix]

I suspect that the KDE PIM for the Zaurus is just on leg 2 of many to come.  (fingers crossed)

other posts by zaultrix have indicated that other kde apps are not in the future for him or ulf.

 

Yes, unfortunately it is almost impossible to get KDE programs running on the Zaurus.
KAddressbook is not a big program and it was (and is) a lot of work.
KMail or Kontact would be impossible.
And I guess, KMail would be dead slow on the Zaurus.

But KDE Pim/Pi will actually get its own email program with integration to KA/Pi!
Last night I have taken the email program from Opie and removed all dependencies from the Opie libs.
The actually needed code of the libs I have moved to microkde.
And I had it already running on my Zaurus!
It will need some work to fix the remaing problems and then to integrate KA/Pi access.
Such that it should be available in one or two weeks.
And the best of it:
OpieMail was able to read my IMAP folder with 6000 mails in it.
Thats nice!
I never got Qtmail working with my IMAP server.


z.

[slocaus]

@zautrix - This is great news!  An integrated mail app for KDE PIM/Pi is what is needed, and would have been sorely missed.  It does not have to be a port of KMail, just being able to integrate addresses from KA is enough; given the existing / planned integration of  KA & KO/Pi, I feel you have done an incredible job for the Zaurus community.  Now we are all foaming at the mouth for Mail/Pi!  

[bluedevils]

That's OMPI (opie mail platform independent) to you!  Even though it is open sourced, I wonder how mickeyl and crew feel about this.

I've moved to the cacko ROM and forgot how pretty the tkcrom really was.

Lesson to be learned.  If you are using the tkcbackup make sure you configure it to backup the new location of the kde pim.  Now i have to do the csv thing again......

[elvis]

Even though it is open sourced, I wonder how mickeyl and crew feel about this.

Why would they care? If anything, I wish they rolled KO, KA, and now this new mail app into OZ and be rid of the opie equivalents that do not work as well.

[Mickeyl]

As long as zautrix submits patches upstream, it's fine for us. After all, that's what GPL is about: Someone abandones stuff, someone else picks up, etc. This is what keeps programs healthy.

If he simply forks without trying to get his patches upstream we will be pissed and it will be considered pretty bad style.

Whether we will include KAPI,KOPI and friends or the respective Opie pendants into the default OZ 3.5.1 image has not been decided yet.

[zautrix]

As long as zautrix submits patches upstream, it's fine for us. After all, that's what GPL is about: Someone abandones stuff, someone else picks up, etc. This is what keeps programs healthy.
If he simply forks without trying to get his patches upstream we will be pissed and it will be considered pretty bad style.

Is that a promise?

To get pissed if you make a program better?

Then I would like to get pissed!

Whether we will include KAPI,KOPI and friends or the respective Opie pendants into the default OZ 3.5.1 image has not been decided yet.

I hope my above statement will help, that you do not include KDE Pim/Pi into the default OZ image.

I would not like that at all!

But it is open source, you can do what you want.

As I do what I want with the Opie programs ... I wonder if there are more useful programs in Opie which are worth to get enhanced...

I do not care about be pissed by some Opie programmers.
I DO CARE about the normal user, which wants to have an application, which is easy to install and easy to use!
The Opie team does not care about users of the Sharp Rom, there are no packages of Opie1.1.3 for Sharp Rom.
As a user of the Sharp-Rom I am already pissed by the Opie team.

@all the fellow readers of this post:

If mickey would have asked me kindly, whether I would take care to give my fixes to the original Opie Mail app, I would have done it.
After the threat to get pissed, I would prefer that *LOL*

And as mickey wrote: Thats open source!

z.

[Mickeyl]

Besides your unwanted polemics which I just ignore, you miserably failed to see the point.

The point is that _unnecessary_ forks (see qconsole, see qpdf2, see the 5th incarnation of yet another half-assed SharpROM clone) weaken the community as a whole. We are not enough developers at all to justify forking based on the pure reason that you don't like some fellow developers or want to have everything under your control hence not considering the reuse of libraries.

The Opie team would be glad to incorporate your changes to make our programs better. I wonder why we should bother about creating libraries when all you do is ripping the good parts apart and including them statically in your software though.


(Oh and just a clarification.. you might not have understood that the phrase "to get pissed" means "getting into a bad mood", so this refers to the one who speaks the phrase, not to the one he tells it to... clear? So, please read that again. No threat here, but a misunderstanding on your side)

[padishah_emperor]

Holy crap! I'm getting outa here!

I'm interested to know what is "the 5th incarnation of yet another half-assed SharpROM clone" and how ANY variety is weakening the community?  I'd rather run the 5th incarnation of another half-assed SharpROM than something that was out of date and just didn't work with poor apps.

Could I advise everyone to realise we are on the same side here? Arguing over 1 and 0's is stupid.

[Mickeyl]

Variety is great. The new OZ will ship with GPE/X11 _and_ Opie while being open for other GUI environments. This is variety. Variety strenghtens the community, because you have many possibillities.

Fragmentation, on the other hand, is something different. From all the mails and posts I've read in the past years since I am working on Zaurus software, I got the impression that people would like to have fewer ROMs of higher quality - and less applications of higher quality.

Do you really see it as a good thing if you have 5 ROMs and each one has a nice feature which you absolutely love, however you can't get them all because the developers don't cooperate? I consider this not to be variety, I consider this waste of effort. This is fragmentation. Fragmentation weakens the community because nothing works really great - just pieces and bits work good and the rest is average or even below average.

(Oh btw, it's funny that you ask me this, because I've just seen a thread where you wrote "I can't help wishing pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROM were integrated though...")  

[padishah_emperor]

mmh, oh you do have a point but I use the Cacko ROMs, because IMHO they are superior to the stock ROMs or OZ/OPIE.  I could understand you more if OZ/OPIE was a mature platform with good applications but I've tried it twice on two machines and for me it just isn't there yet, bits didn't work or crashed or something, always something was wrong. Most people nowadays seem to go for either the Cacko QT ROM or pdaXrom, because they just work, I think the lack of interest in your repeated calls for help is indicative of something, I get the impression here on ZUG that apart from a few hardcore users, it's been relegated to third or fourth place. Will your new ROM run pdaXrom apps? or HancomWord without witchcraft and hacking? If not, are you not just as guilty as the other developers for 'fragmenting' the community?  And yes, I'd like to see the Cacko pdaXrom and Cacko QT ROMs merged, not OZ or OPIE or anything.  I'm not being cruel or anything, it's just my view as a humble user.    (This is not the thread for this discussion, not matter how interesting the debate is)


Now thanks to the guys on this thread we finally have the kind of PIM people have always whinged about.  Once it's ported to pdaXrom I will be happy... (subtle hints..)  


I've given the new version a try and it's great, well done guys for all this hard work!

[Zuber]

I keep "thinking about" having a go at the dual pdaxrom with Sharp rom posted on a thread elsewhere. Just looks a little too daunting (reading through the thread, never mind actually doing it )