Debian with Xqt

[soundwave106]

This is pretty cool.

Random thought: I wonder if ALSA works on the X/Qt systems at all? If the SL-6000L has enough processing power (might be a bitch with audio but MIDI might be okay) and it works, it would be kind of cool to run Rosegarden on Debian and have a very small portable studio sequencer.

[stbrock]

It looks like you can request that someone compile a package for XQt in the Japanese pages of the main project site: XQt wiki

There is also some general information on configuring and compiling, links to packages compiled by others, and so forth. The translator extension to Firefox makes this somewhat accessible, though some text remains mysterious in machine translation.

[adf]

Works on my 5600!!

I actually went ahead and ran Klauss' scripts. I can do debian sid either in the fbvnc mode or in xqt wint NO Vncserver (no backrounded Xvnc.. no vnc anywhere). In xqt icewm does a great job of making apps useable in my 240x320 screen.
On a 5600, (and i bet a c700) due to the small 32meg ram limit you absolutely must use swap. no swap = no dpkg as far as i can tell.

Vlc in the debian chroot even plays movies via xqt.

I now have a good opie setup and debian sid on an openzaurus system. AMAZING!!!!

this changes EVERYTHING.
(it also makes app development growing pains in open zaurus much less frustrating<G>)

adf

[smuelas]

Hi adf,
Just one point of your mail: are you running xqt on your 5600 with openzaurus as ROM ? or you can run xqt with Sharp-rom + Debian OR Klaus fbvnc-Debian OR opie with openzaurus???
So, what is what you have as ROM for running Debian trought Xqt?
I have done some testing with openzaurus-GPE + Debian , but the result is not very stable in my tests. It seems to have less load but also to limit quickly the capability to accetp big loads. As any one tried this possibility?
smuelas

[adf]

What I have at the moment:
I installed openzaurus 3.5.2 with the opie rom (no need to double x and opie is more functional than gpe)
installed opera on opie (I really love opera--a killer pda app)
Installed various and sundry opie things I like..games etc. nothing pertinant.,
Installed xqt. with the big font pack- though I doubt it makes a dfference.

Shut down my z pulled the sd. slapped it in a card reader. Made the debroot dir. and untarred deb big
put sd back in z rebooted. terminated opie.

ran /mnt/card/debroot/INSTALL.d/postinst.sh

used de. in vnc for a bit.
in vnc mode changed my repositories to unstable from testing and upgraded to sid.
installed vlc scite firefox and ted

closed out of vnc went to opie. statred xqt ( I have it boot to xterm rather than rxvt) I needed to link (from memory this) /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5.4 to the same v. so.4 because that makes xqt xterm happy in open zaurus.

Almost forgot ..hehehe   you have to do export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:   you get the idea.. type $PATH in a linux box (or a z propmt maybe?) to get what is in a standard path.

Because of the xqt colonectomy on my 5600 i had to do this in my shell in qt and save into a spot in the debroot then do a chmod +x on the file to get a path working.




Did the chroot.

perfection. I have both up and can change at the touch of a button. Or if I have the need I can go straight to Klauss very cooll vnc setup. The wauy it is now is probably the best all around-most flexible way I could go

firefox is a pig



What I plan when I have time:
either
A). untar straight to the card --no /debroot
load oz bootstrap image and x11 from the feed.
move the dirs by hand over the top of pocketws...combining the chroot env and adding oz x11 in there.

or

doing oz bootstrap x11... and use their apt and dpkg as it is now in the feed and goin 100% debian

probaly wil do a combo.. build on the stuff Klass already made for us and use the native X from oz


My current setup pretty much rocks though
I might just be oz xqt depending on video and game performance stuff in there....

adf.

[smuelas]

Thanks a lot adf for your explanations. Now some questions:
From the first part of your mail I understand that installing opie with openzaurus I get the X's, as you say that it doesn't need to "double" the X's and that it is more functional than GPE.
But afterwards you say that you install Xqt. Then I am lost. Probably it is my very limited English. I apologize.
Surely Opie is more functional than GPE, but I used this last to have the X's and run Debian with NO XQT nor VNC, that seems one of the things that you want to try, compiling yourself.
I think that your experiences are extremely interesting and could serve as a big help for all of us. For example, have you found any sensible diferences in running Debian trough Klaus VNC or trough Xqt?. If afirmative, which ones?
Well, I have a lot more questions but I don't want to make this mail too extense.
Cheers
smuelas

[hafken]

Hi. I've been able to get everything running on my 6000, with one problem so far -- I can't seem to get xmodmap to work!

When I run xmodmap  using the posted .xmodmaprc (after chrooting to debian and within an xterm) it says something to the effect that the first 7 lines are bad keycodes and stops running. When I run xmodmap -pk (or whatever the command is to view the current keycodes, I'm doing this from memory) it does indeed only start with keycode 8. So next I commented out the first 7 lines in the .xmodmaprc and tried again. This time xmodmap runs without comment, BUT now my entire keyboard is completely messed up, with every key mapped incorrectly so it becomes unusable.

I have tried apt-get update xmodmap and it is part of xbase-clients, so it updated that package; that didn't help.

Another thing: xmodmap app is in /usr/X11R6/bin, which isn't in my default path for some reason. That seems strange too, since lots of apps live in there.

I am wondering if I am missing some configuriation file that xmodmap needs to know the valid keycodes? I did the "small" version of the xqt install, so maybe that is part of it?

Anyway, can anyone help me figure out what is causing this problem? Apart from this (and the fact that firefox is just too slow to be usable) everything has been going great!

Thanks,
Dave

[smuelas]

I remember to have had a problem similar to yours with xmodmap, but I cant't remember exactly what I was doing.
Anyway, my feeling is that the first thing that you should do is to upgrade your Debian-distribution or, at least, the package x-base.
Probably, that will solve your problem. Otherwise, tell us as I should remember when I was in this trouble.
smuelas

[hafken]

Yes, I've already done the apt-get update, and that didn't help.

Anyone else have this problem?

One question - I installed the xqt packages to internal flash, while my debroot is on my SD card...since debroot cannot see internal flash, I am wondering if this might be a problem? Is this how everyone else has it set up?

Thanks,
Dave

[smuelas]

hafken,
Sorry but I insist. With "apt-get update" you don't update any packages. What you have to do is: "apt-get upgrade" or, simply, apt-get install and your package. The last version will be choosen and your x-base upgraded.
I'm almost sure that my problem was the same.
About your second question, what you have done is, I guess, what we have all done. Right way. Don't forget that, when running your Debian, you are still in Qtopia and you can run any applications charged in main memory.
smuelas

[adf]

firs the opie xqt thing. XQT draws X windows through opie..uses the opi graphics stuff to display X if I understand correctly.

I did it this way for 2 reasons
1 separate pda type environmemt for quick pda type applications (right now I am trying to change to sharprom/watapon --all qt on the z all pocketworkstation on the sd-) and an environment for sysop and productivity--debian.

As to performance issues....     I don't know yet about speed. VLC on debian just thought my Zaurus was too slow. I'm going to ave to do a new debian meda player (anyone know what is out there for debian arm? mplayer would be best  ..IU might end up compiling.) I think xqrt is smoother, but I have no certainty

the "feel" of doing this on xqt is way different. Icewm limts the size of the dektop to the size of thewindow pretty nicely, so there is a "feel" of being at a tiny desktop rather than slithering around in a porthole the way the vnc thing does.  I like to have both available, as there are things each approach is better at.


at the moment I Im doing a sarge upgrade on the "new" enironment..then off to reset xqt to do chroot to debian at one point I got a "couldn't open display 0:0" any ideas?

and ..ummm... where the #$%^#@@@!!!! is the colon key on xqt??
I have t make scripts out of stuff with colons (llike export DISPLAY=0:0) and call the scripts in the first terminal..a really goofy thing to have to work around.  modmap help anyone??

[adf]

OH by double the x's I think I was the one confused. I meant no point running 2 x environments )gpe pocketws) when one is going to be ignored (gpe) better to have 2 environments (opie pocketws) or 1 integrated environment (oz X running debian).. you used kdirve to acces pocketworkstation?
anything good about doing it that way/ how was the speed?

 
if you want to run a palmtop environment and pocket workstsation

[adf]

LMAO.. more posts for one answer



I do eventually want to do an integrated X environment. but keep in mind, I am right now on a 240x320
screen and just starting to make progress because of your post.  My 5600 has limited memory as well (32megs ram) and on this particular box having a standalone ope/qt environment with a browswer to fall back on  is helpful.

Here is an example...
Dillo doen't do ssl
Firefox deos
opera does.

firefox sofar has been painfully slow on my 5600. I just went to a kernel without the cachefix and increased the swap and moved xqt off the sd. hopefuly this will help

s far I know (since I need ssl for work) I sometimes have to use opera...

If it is the small memory bogging firefox so badly then goin to straight x on this box won't really help

I was planning to cjheck that this christmas.. but got bogged down in the 300 dollar 6000 scandal
I will soon though if the wataponrom xqt pans out on the 5600 I might not try for a straightx z till Iget one with a vga screen.
adf

[adf]

argh
someday I will get an ide into asingle post

a meant that I might not try to go with astraight debain zaurus till I have vga and 64 megs ram.The ram actually counts more than the vga

[chaosteo]

Hi Smuelas,

I followed the steps to install xqt and then I unpack debian from pokcetworkstation using winzip in windows and copy all the unpacked files into /debroot folder in flash card, then ithere are some problems for next steps

1) What if I don't have a file called  " .xinitrc " in /home/zaurus? I followed the steps...
2) how do you create a link between two diretories?

thank you