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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2004, 03:32:13 pm »
p.s.  I've also used Amazon's A-Z guarantee (for a $10 stylus order from a seller that never arrived) but that took almost 6 weeks to resolve.  Not something I want to wait for regarding $300...
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« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2004, 03:37:50 pm »
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From what I read, we will have to wait 30 days before we can file a claim. There is also the added option of having the credit card company intervene, but I don't know what they can do.

The credit card company can (and usually will) do a charge back.  The tricky thing here is that the Amazon A-Z ... says that if you innitiate a charge back via your CC company then the A-Z is no longer valid so you had better make SURE your CC company is going to side with you.  I don't know how long CC companies give you to submit a claim.  If you're really in a hurry to get your money back it might be worth using the threat of a CC chargeback to get Amazon to wave the 30 day waiting period, especially if this turns out to be fraud rather than just a dispute.
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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2004, 03:48:58 pm »
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I've disputed a PayPal credit card charge for $900 for a laptop I bought on eBay from a guy who scammed over 20 buyers.  They reversed the charge and since law enforcement was involved, it was eventually settled in my favor.  That's one reason I will *always* use my credit card with PayPal.

With Amazon, I expected that sellers were better vetted than this, if this truly turns out to be a scam.  However, Amazon does have the final responsibility given their policies.  You can dispute *any* charge with your credit card.  This will temporarily take the charge off of your account so you don't incur finance charges.  It will also launch an investigation.  Typically, most credit card companies require you to wait until it has posted to a statement before allowing a dispute.
Wow, I consider you lucky.

Disputing credit card charges with PayPal may or may not work--so my rule is don't bank on it.

I also was scammed by someone through paypal. PayPal didn't even respond to my complaint. My credit card company, which has always backed me up many times and often for very high charges (always resolved in my favor, too, so not like I go around disputing appropriate charges), claimed they were unable to do anything because the seller is a third party.

PayPal actually states this explicitly in their TOS. The CC pay PayPal, not the seller. PayPal pays the seller. So from the CC point of view, a dispute wouldn't resolve in the buyer's favor anyway since the chargeback would be to PayPal (which fulfills its obligation when it relays the money to the sellre).

I don't know if your case was recent or not, or if you got lucky, or if PayPal actually resolved the issue through its own dispute management channels (especially since ebay has protection channels, as well). But please check carefully before putting all your faith in the power of credit card disputes. I also thought exactly like you did before this occurred. I was unpleasantly surprised and actually quite upset at my credit card staff and supervisors for a little bit. But they've always been good to me up until then and I didn't want to burn my bridges.

Basically, I don't use PayPal for anything I don't feel comfortable losing money over.
(sorry this doesn't help the current posters having trouble on amazon).

I did find this out however, and then I'll read through the entire thread to determine the details: hopefully you purchased the product through official amazon channels. These scams run on amazon a lot. I went through a similar thing with a laptop that was priced too good to be true.

I contacted the seller via email as requested in the description (which was my second hint to watch myself, the first being the low price). Then he replied (actually I repeated this process for three other low sellers to get a feel for what was going on). and wanted the money sent through Western Union. At that point, I contacted Amazon's and reported the activity as possible fraud. The description stated that the products were elligable for protection, but if the transaction isn't processed through Amazon's official channels, they aren't liable for anything. I wish amazon would monitor this type of behavior more closely, but I think these scammers pump multiple accounts and items into the system throughout the day, which makes it very difficult if not impossible to track it all.

sorry for the book! but I hope this helps in some way. my bad for not posting this sonner, could have saved some people some trouble it looks like. I just kept passing over the thread, sorry for that.

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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2004, 04:22:47 pm »
Thanks smooth.  I was lucky with my PayPal case as the scammer gave me his phone number and I was in contact with him before and after the auction (making it seem legit).  After he skipped town with everybody's money, his landlord was left with angry calls from buyers.  Since I had addresses and names, I was able to contact the local sheriff and found out that identity theft was involved as well.  PayPal finally "confirmed" the fraud, but since the money was gone they couldn't "provide any compensation."  Luckily I disputed the charge early and provided all the info to my credit card company.

Does anyone find it curious that we are all having problems accessing our Amazon accounts?  I'm wondering if Amazon "freezes" your account access if you have a "problem" order...

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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2004, 04:33:49 pm »
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Thanks smooth.  I was lucky with my PayPal case as the scammer gave me his phone number and I was in contact with him before and after the auction (making it seem legit).  After he skipped town with everybody's money, his landlord was left with angry calls from buyers.  Since I had addresses and names, I was able to contact the local sheriff and found out that identity theft was involved as well.  PayPal finally "confirmed" the fraud, but since the money was gone they couldn't "provide any compensation."  Luckily I disputed the charge early and provided all the info to my credit card company.

Does anyone find it curious that we are all having problems accessing our Amazon accounts?  I'm wondering if Amazon "freezes" your account access if you have a "problem" order...
CSR stated their computers were down when I called in.

I hadn't said anything about my order, so I could have been calling in for a book for all he knew. So I don't suspect it's account specific.

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« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2004, 04:42:30 pm »
NeuroShock,

Don't worry about it.  I'm one of the people who ordered the $300 Z's but I certainly don't blame you.  I started getting worried right after I started looking at the seller's details.  If I had only done that BEFORE placing my order just like I would on Ebay I would have passed.
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« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2004, 04:53:36 pm »
That at least is a releif.
My emeail from amazon said mine would ship today-- same seller.
Being up in ak means a real delay in receiving stuff .
has it occurred  to anyone that mail is slow this time of year due to holiday stuff? could this maybe be  a legit deal?
any info anyone?
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ps. if this is a scam I am outta luck. promised the wife i'd sell my 5600 to cover the expense of this "great deal" I guess I might be zless for a month or two
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« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2004, 05:00:30 pm »
The biggest indication will be when we can get access our accounts again and check this guy's current feedback--if there are brand new negatives--combined with his current lack of communications--it's not a good sign...

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« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2004, 05:06:15 pm »
/shrug.

I actually did look at the seller and accepted the risk... most feedback was actually very positive (9/13 were 5/5, 1/13 was 4/5

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« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2004, 05:15:47 pm »
agreed. i had confidence in Amazon. not your fault if they screwed up---at wors we'll get our money back. at best it's ok and we'll get our z's.
If it was a scam, by the time we get refunds, 6k's 860's and maybe even 3k's might be easier to come by. At the very worst it is an inconvenience, Keep posting good deals you notice... overall we'll be better off for it.
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« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2004, 05:19:00 pm »
Today was the first day that I realistically could have received my package but there are lots of small clues.

1.  He's only been selling on Amazon for about a month.
2.  He started with many small / cheap items (cheap way to build up positive feedback).
3.  Some of the feedback looks like it was written by the same person.
4.  His name and email address seem not to appear anywhere on Google


FWIW I sent a note to Amazon yesterday asking them to look into this guy.  I don't know if they'll do anything so soon but it's a good idea to get the ball moving.  I may contact Yahoo as well and ask them to keep their logs related to this customer in case an investigation is needed later.
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« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2004, 05:28:40 pm »
Even I ordered from Amazon marketplace with the seller as "jpettins@yahoo.com"

Amazon said that I would not get a shipping cofirmation seperately (which is so frustrating not to know when and if the product has been shipped).

So toady (after reading these forums) I emailed the guy "jpettins@yahoo.com"
to check wether my order had been shipped, but sadly till end of work day now, I haven't reveived any reply from him.

It would be too bad if this sweet deal didnt work out after all.

Actually, another product I bought from Amazon already got shipped (the normal free shipping option, nothing express delivery there) and I just got it delivered toady at home too, but the Zaurus which I had ordered together with the Amazon direct order, has not gotten delivered (This is surely not express delivery in that case, if its a delivery at all).
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« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2004, 05:48:05 pm »
odd. I don't think i had an express delivery on the z.
anyway, this could (at the risk of sounding like pollyanna) be ok.
I have gone a few days without my email-- he very well could also.
Amazon likely keeps decent vendor info. as a scam this seems kinda risky for a failry small payout (under $6000) a zaurus is a weird thing to run a scam on... a bunch of suspicious and savvy techies would NOT be my first choice of targets for an internet scam. As we have seen, we're ready to set the dogs loose on the guy 4 days (less really)after we ordered. not too much breathing room for our would be con-artist.

So.. enough of a profit to rate grand larceny and violate a ton ( I think) of inter-state regulations committed against a large company with at least SOME info, and deep enough pockets to persue the matter...and motivation to "set things right' -something like this could really injure confidence in Amazon, and they'll see it that way---
doesn't sound like a real winner of a scam. It will be interesting , if it really is a scam to see where it goes.
anxiously anyway,
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« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2004, 05:58:07 pm »
...(continued from above--weird, hadn't meant to actually post until I was done).

Anyway, I had accepted the risk and was very hopeful.  I'm obviously going to be EXTREMELY disappointed if this turns out to be a scam, but it isn't the end of the world and particularly if many people are hit by this identical thing, it'll be a no-brainer for Amazon to reimburse.  It's not like a single isolated transaction, it was a mass offer with "stockable items" (by which I mean there seemed to be a limited number that was used up).

I still haven't given up hope, although I'm certainly expecting a lighter Christmas than I was hoping for... snif...

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« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2004, 06:03:15 pm »
> a bunch of suspicious and savvy techies would NOT
> be my first choice of targets for an internet scam

Lol... I had this thought earlier, actually, not that it's any sort of real hopefulness... but if I was a scam artist, I would do this for something more popular and less focused on an intelligent do-it-yourself audience.  He told a zugger that he had 17 units, so you're looking at, as mentioned, only about $6k profit or so (ah, the parallelism... selling some z6k's for about $6k...).

Still... to go from selling $1 movies to a bunch of $300 Z's does look suspicious.  I'm suspecting scammage, but it'd be awfully nice if it came through.

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