Browser For 3.5.2 Opie

[Harlequin]

For me, useful things would be
  vnc client (have to support windows + *nix environments),
  nmap +wellenreiter,
  good wireless support (already there)
  openssh (dropbear gives sftp errors when using pscp from windows.
  good bluetooth support (unsure about whether that's in place),
and of course the browser.

A MAJOR selling point for me would be good authentication / privacy options in the event of theft, but to be honest I'd have difficulty defining examples of this.

That being said, the top 4 on the list are dealt with in the new Hentges + default cardfs solution that coredump and teletubbie have released.

I'm going to give rdesktop a shot in the near future.  Should be easier than tunnelling vnc through ssh (ssssllllooooowwwwww - and I've not got it working on the zaurus yet   ).  If that works out it'd replace vnc client on the above list.

If I think of anything else, I'll add it.

Thanks for all the great work.

Harry.

[CoreDump]

  vnc client (have to support windows + *nix environments),
  nmap +wellenreiter,
  good wireless support (already there)
  openssh (dropbear gives sftp errors when using pscp from windows.

The problem with all these apps is, that it will be damn hard to put them all into
an initrd.bin. Might work if one drops PIM, styles, themes, and most stuff in Settings.

The ROM would barely be usable but for these apps *and* you won't have any free space in / to speak of.

Of course one can install the missing stuff to a SD card, but you can already do that with the stock ROM.

Just my 2 cent.

[JohnKiniston]

I'm another person who'd like to see a version of OZ that comes without the pim functionality.

I'm a sysadmin and I find myself needing to check my systems for security issues now and then so Off the top of my head my dream image may include:
Konquerer, Calculator,  QPE-Gaim, Wellenreiter, Nessus (Not in the feeds, Once the openembedded site comes back up maybe I'll try my hand at getting it compiled), nmap, fbvnc and vncviewer, kismet,zsafe, and tcpdump.

Maybe a option would be to offer a 'base' opie package that does include anything other than konsose installed as a application and then use cardfs images like cordump made to install bundles of packages for different tasks.

Since I dont have a way to Sync the Zaurus with my Mac the pims end up just a waste of space for me.

[EdbO]

  good bluetooth support (unsure about whether that's in place),
and of course the browser.

The bluetooth support is not realy good. Some kernelmodules are missing to get things work. I want to compile my own kernel for the Zaurus. I've read some howto's and I think it's to heavy for me  

I think that we have to compile a kernel with so much modules as possible. The needed kernel modules can then be dowloaded from the website.

I think also that a base opie package and bundles of software would be a good idea

[BarryW]

Harlekin: That's right. I'll think about having a fourth OZ image flavour per default - something like "Admin's tool", with no PIM, but instead a Browser and a couple of network admin tools, i.e. Wellenreiter and friends.

Would that sound interesting? What else would you like to have in that image?

OO! OO!  That would be cool!  Usb storage.  My Z carries a 1gb sd and 1gb cf card at all times so this would be handy.

[msjones]

OK, I installed libpcre0_4.4-r1_arm.ipk and service-release-1-oz-opie_3.5.2-r1_arm.ipk on my 5600 running 3.5.2. When I try to install konq with ipkg -force-depends install konqueror-embedded_20030705-r3_arm.ipk I get "ipkg:*** couldn't kill old gunzip process *** aborting".

I can't imagine what gunzip process it could be referring to as I haven't gunzipped anything yet on my Z. Any suggestions??
Mark

[grog]

I get "ipkg:*** couldn't kill old gunzip process *** aborting".

I get the same error. Same conditions. ??

[adf]

Mickeyl,
forgive the quetstion if it implies an inordinate pain......

But..how hard would it be to compile minimo agaoinst qt as well as gtk (2 different versions of course), and concentrate on a single versatile gpl browser for oz and all other oe spawn?  I suggest minimo because from what I ahve seen on my 5600 firefox is really too heavy, Konqueror embedded has had problems digesting some buggy visual basic stuff (I have to be able to talk to a school based version of Maximus called icue) dillo doesn't do ssl, and opera isn't gpl.

This isn't really a mememeee question. My district (I'm a teacher)is looking to provide pe teachers with light portable devices to do attendance and such. OPera works, but a supply of reasonable priced zaurii just doesn't exist and sharp leaving the us makes 'em nervous. wince and kin simply don't do the job (though a friend is trying to find a way to get linux on the axim ---any oe builds for axim?). the obvious solution seems to be familiar on ipaqs  w/gpe and minimo. That got me thinking..like mplayer.. that concentration a single good gpl application that is compiled in versions for opie and gpe wiould be a very good thing all around.  Is this feasable? or ist like suggesting that a submarine that doubled as a helicopter would be cool?

[Mickeyl]

Of course, it would be a fine thing to have. But: Porting an application huge as a browser to a different GUI toolkit is a job that can take from several manmonths to several years.

[adf]

Thanks.
In that amount of time i might even learn enough to be helpful

[adf]

X forwarding anyone?  I don't know how much that would help a network sysop, but it can be really handy in other situations.  Even on my 5600 mozilla forwarded through pocketworkstation and displyed through pw's fbvnc is pretty snappy, and extremely powerful.  Other heavyweight apps that might be used while raoming a campus come to mind readily.  It would be really nice if it worked with the tap of a button in gpe (or e?) Would it be hard to set a button that did an x-query? or more versatile in that it will talk to win remote desktop (though maybe licenses are an issue?) an NX query of some kind?

[cyboreal]

What about a similar approach to the hentges.net ROM and the cardfs binary - at install time, it asks if you want to install the apps in the cardfs binary.  These then get installed to the SD card.  It would be great to have all these extra admin/network/etc. apps preconfigured and ready to install at flash time.

[adf]

looking at the way the feed is setup, and given the existence of the bootstrap rom I can easily see doing this with OZ, or OZ going that way.  All that would really be needed would be some text menu stuff. you know.. load the boot strap, load some script called "install-selector" or something then go through an easy(please) network and feed config, then options.."Do you want to run X or QT?" "default install desination root or sd?" "Do you prefer gpe/matchbox or e? "Do you want dpkg/debian repository compatibility or openzaurus feed?" "do you want pim? y or n?" Do you want nework admin packages y or n?" One would, obviously retain the ability to install and remove software.That, in conjunction with the out-of-the-box gpe and opie feeds ('m assuming here that if you are ..say .. a network admin, you are aware of it ) would make OZ/oe spawn incredibly powerful and flexible. It might also give the OE guys a chance to pare down the "core" setups for opie and gpe a little, If that was desired.

[msjones]

OK, I installed libpcre0_4.4-r1_arm.ipk and service-release-1-oz-opie_3.5.2-r1_arm.ipk on my 5600 running 3.5.2. When I try to install konq with ipkg -force-depends install konqueror-embedded_20030705-r3_arm.ipk I get "ipkg:*** couldn't kill old gunzip process *** aborting".

I can't imagine what gunzip process it could be referring to as I haven't gunzipped anything yet on my Z. Any suggestions??
Mark

Should I start another thread for this? This thread started off on installing konqueror but now it's spun off on another discussion. I'm just trying to avoid duplicate posts.
Thanks
Mark

[adf]

sorry.
I sometimes try to jam ideas wherever i think they might fit.
This might be kinda obvious wrong and or unobservant. ( I haven't messed with konq in 3.5.2) but it sounds kinda like you have a "wrong" or corrupted ipk..  If it hadn't occurred to you yet you ight try to re dl it and give it another go.  Best i got- hope it helps
adf