Cacko Feeds

[bor]

Thanks very much for detailed explanation  !
(The situation is much worse that I have imagined   ).
I will e-mail to sharp (I do not expect any succses);
but if everybody would email about sources to sharp...

I have catched some information about boot and updater.sh yesterday
(by Anton M;dated December 2004; the text consists mostly of "?"-signs...)-
probably not much is known about it....  .

Maybe AM will send me some information about kernel?

Maybe vim will be in the form that I will be able to recompile (probably I do not have
also most header files and libraries for arm architecture).

  Thanks again  
      Janusz

[bor]

Hi,
the text "TBVBoot Sequence" about boot and updater.sh was by sash@cacko.biz (not by AM,sorry).
Thanks also to AM for (all except one) information .
Kernel:
so I must force to apply  hostap-driver patch;
without errors - I will try  .

Vim:
"I'm sure google will help you."
Hmmmmmmm,
I have sources for vim (in debian unstable distribution).
One way is:
looking on the whole Internet what to do to obtain arm-ELF
from this sources, looking for the headers files, libraries,
without actual documentation, looking for correct versions, etc....
Another way is:
There is compiled version in Cacko distribution.
So, I suppouse that somewhere on the hard disk is complete
set of all files and someone sometimes simply changes configuration files
and do make....
So, I think that answer about google is "political one" (with great respect to AM) - am I right?
Updater.sh:
thanks for putting it (with this source shell script???   ) on your site.

  Thanks again
       
   Janusz
PS
maybe i should harder search.....

[marshmn]

Janusz,

Just curious... why are you after the whole source for cacko and everything contained in it?

Matt

[maslovsky]

I have catched some information about boot and updater.sh yesterday
(by Anton M;dated December 2004; the text consists mostly of "?"-signs...)-
probably not much is known about it....  .

You probably found some posts in Russian, which you cannot read with your browser.

Maybe AM will send me some information about kernel?

Exactly what information do you need? I already replied to your question about different kernel sizes - it's not a big deal, don't worry.

[bor]

Thanks Anton once again  !
But I am worry!!!!
Kernel:
I think that I have done a mistake.
I have compiled the kernel in the way:

1)I have unpacked file linux-c860-20031107-rom1_10.tar.bz2
2)The sources are on /tmp/linux
(eg. /tmp/linux/Documentation, etc)
3)I have copied all patches from the file
cacko-1.22-kernel.tar.gz.tar
on /tmp/
(eg. /tmp/bluecard_cs-c300.patch)
4)I have applied command
patch -p1 <./name_of_patch.patch/diff
from the path /tmp
for all patch-files in the order given in the file
.applied-to-1.22 .
For all files except
hostap-driver-0.2.4-to-0.2.5.patch
6)I have compiled the kernel


First:
Maybe I should also apply (as step 0) patch
linux-c860-20031107-rom1_10 ?
How? (patch -p5 < ; if yes:what answers should I give for
"many questions " Assume -R?)
Second:
I do not know how to apply patch
hostap-driver-0.2.4-to-0.2.5.patch
??
Could you give exact form of patch-command?
File hostap-driver-0.2.4-to-0.2.5.patch contains
non-existent paths hostap-driver-0.2.x  
(also file linux-c860-20031107-rom1_10 cannot "produce" these paths)

Please, give me exact hint-
I am sure that something is wrong.

Updater.sh:
all! namely:
shell script (from Cacko 1.22)
how encode/decode (exact link if you please - I do not believe in "my searching")

 Thanks in advance
    Janusz  
PS
I dont think: I can display russian letters and I can read (not too complicated texts   )
maybe it was some kind of scratch, and the actual text is in another place;
my copy has many many questions marks

[bor]

Janusz,

Just curious... why are you after the whole source for cacko and everything contained in it?

Matt
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Hi Matt,
maybe we should to debug all the starting procedures in ROM?
What do you think?
Janusz

[Stubear]

Sharp does NOT have to give you the source (and most probably will not) for any apps they created using their version of qtopia. They bought qtopia from TrollTech so they don't have to relaes anything that wasn't already GPL.

They are quite good about releasing stuff that is GPLed (although they can be a little slow).

Also just because something is available in the Cacko feed doesn't mean it was compiled by the cacko team. A lot of people have supplied stuf to cacko and the cacko team are very active in searching the net for new and interesting apps to put in their feed (and not all of those apps are or need to be GPLed)

If you want a specific apps source then contact the author/maintainer of that app, you will have better luck and get better instructions on compiling it than just posting here.

Being open source doesn't mean others have to do all the work for you

Stu

[maslovsky]

bor, I'll check the kernel patches some time this weekend. As far as I remember all of them should apply properly.

[bor]

Thanks Anton  .

"As far as I remember all of them should apply properly."
this is why I think that I have done a big mistake

[bor]

Sharp does NOT have to give you the source (and most probably will not) for any apps they created using their version of qtopia. They bought qtopia from TrollTech so they don't have to relaes anything that wasn't already GPL.

They are quite good about releasing stuff that is GPLed (although they can be a little slow).

Also just because something is available in the Cacko feed doesn't mean it was compiled by the cacko team. A lot of people have supplied stuf to cacko and the cacko team are very active in searching the net for new and interesting apps to put in their feed (and not all of those apps are or need to be GPLed)



Stu
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Tnanks for explanation  

If you want a specific apps source then contact the author/maintainer of that app, you will have better luck and get better instructions on compiling it than just posting here.

I will try, thanks  

Being open source doesn't mean others have to do all the work for you

I did not ask anybody to do the work for me....
But, if someone has done a fine package for Cacko (or for other Linux-distribution)
and his point of view is:
"only I will this compile, the sources are mine; if you want something to change
in MY package you should do all from the scratch" (or something similar) -
I think such a Package-Author shoud annouce this.
Maybe a big banner" Hands of MY Package"
If such information would be known for everybody (maybe in Package file - "secret/top secret/etc")
then every user could decide if he want to use this package.

Cacko is a set of excelent packages (I think) and many Authors have done great and tedious work.
However, it was very strange for me that i cannot find sourcec
(if someone wants to destroy   a given package - why not?). Now I know (from you
   ) about TrollTech licence and Sharp's point of view.

However, "hidden sources" will always strange for me and unusual in Linux.
Janusz

[bor]

Hi Stu (once again)  
do you know any reason to do things that
was made by anothers ? (if these "things" are not "top secret" ?)
Thanks for your great help  
Janusz

[Stubear]

Janusz

I agree with you about the availability of source and think that ipks control file should include a license field that states what license the app is released under.

That way if it's not open-source license I don't have to waste my time searching for the source if I want to make a change.

A lot of the stuff that is available for qtopia is available either in the qtopia source files or the openembedded cvs.

There are a lot of apps however that have been abandoned by their original developer and the source is no longer easily available (often cause the site has closed down). This is also a concern as it is a lose of "knowledge".

Too often I think part time coders misunderstand the GPL and think that if they make a change and send their change upstream then they aren't required to make the source available with the binary.

My refernce to "having others do the work for you" was not directed at coding - I think it is silly to reinvent the wheel - but at your reluctance to "google". It sounded like you expected to get all the source and all the instructions without doing any reading yourself. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

This forum has a huge wealth of knowledge about the zaurus and qtopia but it doesn't always have all the answers - sometimes you have to look somewhere else. However the people here are usually very good at giving useful pointers and links when asked.

Check out openembedded - www.openembedded.org - their cvs has almost all the source that is freely available for opie/qtopia and zaurus apps.

Stu

[clofland]

First, thanks for the Cacko Feed, it is GREAT!

Just wanted to throw a quick note. Some of the packages have extraneous text in the dependancies field, which causes the command line ipkg install to throw off warnings. These warnings do not hault the install, so it is not a big deal.

Here is some examples:

When I install lib-gaim-ssl or lib-gaim-protocols I get:
Warning: 0.73-1 mentioned in dependency but no package found in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists = mentioned . . .

qpealarmclock gives:
Warning: qpe-base mentioned in dependency but no package found in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists = mentioned . . .

(several give the qpe-base warning)

kismet-qt
Warning: libopie mentioned in dependency but no package found in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists = mentioned . . .

Like I said, no big deal. Thought I'd mention it if you want to fix it. If not, I understand too. After all, if I can't deal with warnings, I should use the GUI package manager, right?

[stupkid]

First, thanks for the Cacko Feed, it is GREAT!

Thanks!

Just wanted to throw a quick note. Some of the packages have extraneous text in the dependancies field, which causes the command line ipkg install to throw off warnings. These warnings do not hault the install, so it is not a big deal.

Hmm, I'll fix that I see what is wrong.  It was an oversite on my part.  Thanks for the report.

[zakaluka]

Hello,

This is my first post here (just got introduced to the forum today).  It really is a great resource.

Having said that, this message is aimed mostly at stupkid.  I would like to know if there is some place that has directions on how to compile ipks for packaging/installation/distribution.  I want to create some (specifically for programming languages/environments) and don't want to keep adding to your list.

Thank you,

zakaluka.