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[bor]

Stu,
I am very sorry (to everybody).
But a week ago I was sure that there is a set of sourcec packages somewhere.
(Maybe not straight way, like script by Stupkid, but I did not expected that
sources are not accessible at all).
(I think I was "a little like an elefant in china collection" - sorry once again)
Now, due to answers by Stupkid and you (and lack of other's answers),
I know that there is no set of sources.



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This forum has a huge wealth of knowledge about the zaurus and qtopia but it doesn't always have all the answers - sometimes you have to look somewhere else. However the people here are usually very good at giving useful pointers and links when asked.

Check out openembedded - www.openembedded.org - their cvs has almost all the source that is freely available for opie/qtopia and zaurus apps.

Stu
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Thanks  - I will try.



"
I agree with you about the availability of source and think that ipks control file should include a license field that states what license the app is released under.

"

I could imagine that if there IS a set of (very fine) compiled packages there is also
a set of sources packages, there are *.tar's of needed libraries and so on...
And this why I gave my answer about google - sorry!
On the other hand I can imagine (very easy   ) that hard working Maintainer
do not "like" to have sources in the form readable to others
(I think that this could take much time of administrative work).

But, I am intresting how many Cacko-Users have compiled from scratch eg. vim?
(except maintainers). (from scratch: 1)get sorces- eg. from debian, 2)using GOOGLE
get all others needed files-eg. libraries, 3)make arm-ELF)
??
It is possible but if someone has already done it - why others should do the same
things again?

I have compiled the kernel because on the Cacko-page are all needed links
(patches- my mistake) but I think that other packages is not so simple
(maybe I am wrong?).





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My refernce to "having others do the work for you" was not directed at coding - I think it is silly to reinvent the wheel - but at your reluctance to "google". It sounded like you expected to get all the source and all the instructions without doing any reading yourself. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.


Stu
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I am sorry.
Google - example(I was looking for updater.sh).
1. Townsends "copy updater.sh to cf"
2.AM said that this is coded shell script - now it was possible to find something
(so I will have next questions   )
3.Russian letters  
everybody can test if has correctly installed fonts -
simply go to http://cacko.biz/~sash
and take a dictionary (printed version).
If you find words from this page in the dictionary all is ok,
if not - you should reinstall your fonts.
(Mine are ok - this is inactual address - I stated this after Alt+F updater.sh  )
Thanks for great help
Janusz

[bor]

Hi,
1)does anybody know where resides (in zaurus)
nandlogical
?
2)Is this accessible only in some stage of booting?
(I have seen that other readers are using this -
they are really brave  ).
3)If it is ROM (realy read-only not Zaurus writable-Rom)
where can I find documentation from Sharp
for nandlogical? (this shoudn't be connected with
Troll Tech licence, I think).
4)How to etxract from zaurus (or compile) to get
ELF-file nandlogical?
(I have catched somewhere on the Internet, accidentally of cource,
ELF-nandlogical, which I am keeping far away from my zaurus  ,
for the time beeing  ....)
Please, give me actual links or information.
Thanks in advance
Janusz
PS
In UNIX some peoples often say:
"look on the Internet, or look in man page".
1)I wouldn't become an expert "in unbricking" so I do not want to use
an old information from Internet - I will waite for expert's opinions.
2)zman is almost empty  
3)I usually read man pages when I all know for given topic

[tg]

But, I am intresting how many Cacko-Users have compiled from scratch eg. vim?
(except maintainers). (from scratch: 1)get sorces- eg. from debian, 2)using GOOGLE
get all others needed files-eg. libraries, 3)make arm-ELF)
??
It is possible but if someone has already done it - why others should do the same
things again?

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My opinion (could off course be totally out of line with majority opinion) is that people who chose Cacko over Oz do it because they want everything precompiled and more or less working without doing any work (because ther are either lazy or to busy or whatever - does not matter). This is why for someone who wants a better organized development environment (more tailored to developers) something like openembeded is probably better (better organized sources, newer gcc, libraries, etc - there you are not stuck with some dubious decisions Sharp has made a few years ago when they released their original ROM). But of course the tradeof of Cacko is that some very nice applications only run on Sharp based ROMs (ie TextMaker, Opera, Netfront, Kino2, qpdf2, several theKompany apps, etc - I know, of course there probably is a way to get them running in Oz via some compat libs but that approach is usually too slow and unstable). Life is all about tradeoffs and until Oz has something comparable to these apps in their feed most people will probably stay with Cacko (ie if TextMaker is released for Oz and some decent media player comparable to Kino2, and browser like Firefox show up in the stable Oz feed and run as smoothly as ie Opera does in Cacko I would certainly switch to Oz and never look back - being a developer I would then probably also finally set up development environment as well as openembedded approach seems very clean).

[Stubear]

But, I am intresting how many Cacko-Users have compiled from scratch eg. vim?
(except maintainers). (from scratch: 1)get sorces- eg. from debian, 2)using GOOGLE
get all others needed files-eg. libraries, 3)make arm-ELF)
??
It is possible but if someone has already done it - why others should do the same
things again?

I haven't done this for vim, but have done so gpg, openssh, nano, clit and a number of other apps that I wanted but couldn't find as ipks already.

There are a number of toolchains available for download that have almost everything you need in them, and when I work out how to get OE compiling with gcc-2.9.5 for qtopia 1.5 then I'll post instructions on their wiki for others.

Till then people will have to look at sites like https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Compiler_Setup for setting up toolchains

Stu

[bor]

Hi  

bor, I'll check the kernel patches some time this weekend. As far as I remember all of them should apply properly.
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please do not forget

[ev1l]

What does OZ uses as its primary web-browser? Minimo?

[bor]

Thanks:
tg - for your point of view;
Stu- for next link .
I will send a few words about sorces in a few days.
Janusz

[bor]

Hi Experts  (where are you  ).
So somthing "like talk to yourself".
2)Yes. Nandlogical is seen when you start Linux as if you want
to flash Cacko, but you take console  (not "Flash repartition" or "Install new Rom").
In this "stage of booting" runlevel is 6.
1)Next, copy nadlogical to the sd/cf card (which is mounted)
4) This is exactly the same ELF-file which can be catched on the Internet

And now next questions:
1)where to find describtion of nandlogical (and others this type programs:nandcp,...)?
2)where to find all information about boot process?
(mtd-devices, programs to grab and read contens of zaurus like romburst,etc)
3) What a Thing encodes updater.sh?
(in this stage of booting updater.sh is in the shell-script form on
/tmp/update/; exact the same as in Cacko distribution)
4)Where are located KernelSSSSSSSS???
(in this stage uname -a gives date: 6Nov 2003 09:29:23 -
so it is Sharp kernel, not this by Anton from Dec 2004).
From this follow that both kernels are in Zaurus- where?
(I do not like hidden things  )
Janusz

[stupkid]

1)where to find describtion of nandlogical (and others this type programs:nandcp,...)?

Try searching the forums:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=S...ite=nandlogical

2)where to find all information about boot process?
(mtd-devices, programs to grab and read contens of zaurus like romburst,etc)

Try searching the forums...

3) What a Thing encodes updater.sh?
(in this stage of booting updater.sh is in the shell-script form on
/tmp/update/; exact the same as in Cacko distribution)

I should be able to find the utilty for this, but I'm not home at the moment.

4)Where are located KernelSSSSSSSS???
(in this stage uname -a gives date: 6Nov 2003 09:29:23 -
so it is Sharp kernel, not this by Anton from Dec 2004).
From this follow that both kernels are in Zaurus- where?
(I do not like hidden things  )

There is an embedded linux instance that serves as the firmware for the Z.

This is mentioned in the FAQ:

https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=System...he_DIAG_MENU.3F

And in the forums:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...38&st=0&p=64868

Please use the forums search capability you will find LOTS of information.

Hope this helps,

-Bryan

[bor]

Thanks Bryan,
I will search.  

3) What a Thing encodes updater.sh?
(in this stage of booting updater.sh is in the shell-script form on
/tmp/update/; exact the same as in Cacko distribution)

"I should be able to find the utilty for this, but I'm not home at the moment."

I can encode/decode updater.sh (encsh.c or so).
I would like to know where in Zaurus is located "a Thing = a utility" which
encode/decode this file.
And from where peoples (sash?) get enctab[] for encoding?
The same forum?

Thanks again
Janusz

[bor]

Bryan,
thanks

1)where to find describtion of nandlogical (and others this type programs:nandcp,...)?

Try searching the forums:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=S...ite=nandlogical

2)where to find all information about boot process?
(mtd-devices, programs to grab and read contens of zaurus like romburst,etc)

Try searching the forums...


but I have already searched this forum.
Here are very few information about nandlogical.
Do you think that here are ALL KNOWN information??? (and nothing more is to find?)

Janusz

[gojira]

my c860, but the VNC-client is not responding to kb and mouse. Any idea?
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[ferdinauta]

Hi all,

I've got a problem upgrading my packages. It's the first time it happens.
When I type ipkg upgrade, this error appears at kopiemail:

Upgrading kopiemail (root) from 2.1.4-1 to 2.1.5-1
filename - kopiemail
kopiemail_2.1.5-1
2.1.5-1_arm
arm.ipk

Downloading http://cacko.biz/cacko/feed/kopiemail ...
--08:02:35--  http://cacko.biz/cacko/feed/kopiemail
           => `//home/tmp/ipkg/kopiemail'
Resolving cacko.biz... 212.10.10.15
Connecting to cacko.biz[212.10.10.15]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/feed/kopiemail [following]
--08:02:35--  http://bryandeluca.com/cacko/feed/kopiemail
           => `//home/tmp/ipkg/kopiemail'
Resolving bryandeluca.com... 66.152.98.203
Connecting to bryandeluca.com[66.152.98.203]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
08:02:36 ERROR 404: Not Found.

ipkg_download: ERROR: Failed to retrieve http://cacko.biz/cacko/feed/kopiemail, returning
ipkg_get_install: Perhaps you need to run `ipkg update'?

And ipkg update is already done without errors. And the status file there is no fails neither errors. Any suggestion?

[ferdinauta]

Stupkid has already checked it, and all works fine now!