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« Reply #90 on: June 03, 2005, 03:25:53 am »
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While I have noticed that it has improved over time, one thing that I still find irksome about KO/Pi is the redraw rate. For example, when switching to the Month view, I can see the cell/widget for each day being drawn. I was wondering if double-buffering had ever been considered? Has it already been attempted (or is it already being used?).

I would take a crack at it myself, but I've looked at the source for pim/pi before, and was a little overwhelmed by the complexity (and the not so simple compilation method).

Just an idea.

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Adding double-buffering to month view would be a lot of work compared what you will gain.
I am using double-buffering in the agenda view.

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« Reply #91 on: June 03, 2005, 03:31:05 am »
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Ok... So I finally had enough time to mess around with importing my Outlook 2K data into KDEPIM.  KA/Pi grabbed my data without a hiccup.  So all is looking good there.  However, when I use KO/Pi to import my OL2K records it crashes.  Specifically:

File->Import OL
Select Calendar
Click Import
Watch as thermometer increments to 100%
Click OK on dialog that says 2185 entries were read.
Close the Import dialog

CRASH!

I now have the ever so wonderful "Send/don't send info to M$oft" dialog. 

I did a search for this issue, and as usual, can't find anything about it.  I grabbed the 2.1.0 XP version of the Windoze apps, and the helper DLL's.  So I think I'm good there.  Any suggestions as to how to solve this?

Thx....
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Thanks for reporting this.

The problem is that import from OL works for me with OL 2002.
Because it crashes after closing the Import dialog it may be some problems with the imported data itself.

Can you try to create another calendar in Outlook with one simple event (only summary set ) and try to import this?

If it still crashes the problem must be the way KO/Pi is closing the import dialog.

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« Reply #92 on: June 03, 2005, 03:37:01 am »
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Writing user-centric doc has been on the todo-list for a while, but it's very time consuming, and as unbelievable as it sounds I do have a private life 
Would you like some help with the documentation? I'm a professional technical writer and write user manuals for a living. While I don't have a lot of free time to commit towards many projects, I'll be happy to start the ground work for a manual by beginning with the most commonly used procedures and expanding from there. (Maybe a KDE-PIM Wiki...?)

It seems the least I can offer for a program that I use every day as my primary PIM. Zaurii: 5500 and a 6000. Available desktop operating systems: Windows XP Home and Professional, Mac OS X 10.3.9, Fedoroa Core 2.

You guys have done an excellent job on the application. It would be nice to contribute documentation to something that might actually be used.

Let me know if you are interested.

Thanks.

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That would be really cool!

I have a quite outdated documentation of KO/Pi in MS-Word and html format.

Maybe you can start from this docu to create something up-to-date in html format?

Let me know if you are interested.

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« Reply #93 on: June 03, 2005, 03:40:18 am »
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Adding double-buffering to month view would be a lot of work compared what you will gain.
I am using double-buffering in the agenda view.

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Unfortunate, but understandable.

The refresh rate of the calendar view (which I use exclusively) is what originally turned me off of KO/Pi when I first tried it long, long ago, though, as I stated, I have noticed that it has improved. However, I find that it still is not as fast to update as the Sharp calendar or Qualendar (which is based off of the Sharp calendar). I guess I'm just impatient (^^;

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« Reply #94 on: June 03, 2005, 03:51:09 am »
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Adding double-buffering to month view would be a lot of work compared what you will gain.
I am using double-buffering in the agenda view.

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Unfortunate, but understandable.

The refresh rate of the calendar view (which I use exclusively) is what originally turned me off of KO/Pi when I first tried it long, long ago, though, as I stated, I have noticed that it has improved. However, I find that it still is not as fast to update as the Sharp calendar or Qualendar (which is based off of the Sharp calendar). I guess I'm just impatient (^^;

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I assume this redraw rate issue is only a problem on the Z and not on a desktop machine. I've been using KOpi on a Windows XP laptop, used for work, and a linux desktop at home. Neither machine is particularly powerful but I have never noticed this issue.

When my new c3000 arrives soon I'll most probably be putting kopi/kapi on that too so I hope I don't discover this problem.
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« Reply #95 on: June 03, 2005, 12:43:41 pm »
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When my new c3000 arrives soon I'll most probably be putting kopi/kapi on that too so I hope I don't discover this problem.
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Unfortunately, you'll discover it.  
It does happen in my c1k, tho maybe it is faster than the 5500.
It makes me think, what you said about it doesn't happening in desktop (it doesn't actually). I'll think deeper. (If I don't come back, I might have gone too deep. Not used to deep think, lately)  
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« Reply #96 on: June 05, 2005, 11:40:11 am »
The redraw issue is dur to the anemic processor in the Zaurus. Sharp calendar is fast simply because it's very simple. I suppose thats the case with Qalendar as well, though I haven't tried it.

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« Reply #97 on: June 05, 2005, 11:18:35 pm »
I tried creating a new test calender in O2K and added one or two items to it.  I told KO/Pi to import the entries from the new calender and it works fine.  What suggestion can you make for a next step?

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« Reply #98 on: June 06, 2005, 10:15:58 am »
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The redraw issue is dur to the anemic processor in the Zaurus. Sharp calendar is fast simply because it's very simple. I suppose thats the case with Qalendar as well, though I haven't tried it.
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I don't think the blame for the lack of speed can be placed squarely on the processor - most of it seems to come from the OS side.

After seeing some of the latest Palm devices the other day, I decided to pull out my old Clie SJ30 - a Dragonball ~200Mhz (?) based palm - and was amazed at how fast even the older model switched between applications, and how fast the calendar apps quickly switched between views. Granted the resolution might only be half of the Z, and perhaps the featureset might be smaller (though I find Agendus quite capable).

It's true that Sharp's default calendar and Qualendar don't have quite as many features as KO/Pi, and hence might be considered 'simple'. However, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with 'simple' - especially in a PDA, which is how I generally use my Zaurus. I realize that many people want to use the Z as a full laptop, but it's still basically a very flexible PDA ("mobile tool", what have you). Also, does having more features mean that a program should run slower? Isn't that usually referred to as bloat?

Don't get me wrong, I really like KO/Pi... I just wish it was snappier. Again, all the blame can't be put on KO/Pi - a lot of it, I believe, is due to the OS.

I hope the rumored forthcoming Z fixes some of this... those Palms were pretty tempting (if only I could find a Palm-based phone that worked in Japan...).

Just my 2 yen.

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« Reply #99 on: June 06, 2005, 05:44:11 pm »
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I tried creating a new test calender in O2K and added one or two items to it.  I told KO/Pi to import the entries from the new calender and it works fine.  What suggestion can you make for a next step?
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The redraw issue is due to the anemic processor in the Zaurus. Sharp calendar is fast simply because it's very simple. I suppose thats the case with Qalendar as well, though I haven't tried it.
I don't think the blame for the lack of speed can be placed squarely on the processor - most of it seems to come from the OS side.
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It's a combination of silly processor, silly kernel, and kdepim/pi being a silly high level graphical app.
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After seeing some of the latest Palm devices the other day, I decided to pull out my old Clie SJ30 - a Dragonball ~200Mhz (?) based palm - and was amazed at how fast even the older model switched between applications, and how fast the calendar apps quickly switched between views. Granted the resolution might only be half of the Z, and perhaps the featureset might be smaller (though I find Agendus quite capable).
Look at the Palm PIM apps. They don't draw much at all.
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It's true that Sharp's default calendar and Qualendar don't have quite as many features as KO/Pi, and hence might be considered 'simple'. However, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with 'simple' - especially in a PDA, which is how I generally use my Zaurus.
Totally agree. Part of why the Palm apps are very good is because they make very smart feature/functionality/interface compromises. I'd say they maintain about 70%-80% of the kdepim functionality with 20% the interface weight. Pretty impressive, IMHO.
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Also, does having more features mean that a program should run slower? Isn't that usually referred to as bloat?
Depends. I think bloat is a combination of feature creep combined with an interface that allows those features to get in the way of the average user. Kdepim is bloated, but not overly so: it catters to a different crowd that the Palm and Windows Mobile devices.
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Don't get me wrong, I really like KO/Pi... I just wish it was snappier.
Can't argue with you there  but Lutz has been making decent progress in that department. Try and go back to the early version: they're litteraly painful to use.
Kdepimpi is just completely graphic: until the Linux pocket devices pack 3D-accelerators and a hardware-accelerated compositor+renderer, they'll never be as snappy as simple PDA-only apps.
That said, if you (or anyone else for that matter) have concrete suggestions, I'm always more than ready to examine and discuss them. A good idea's a good idea, doesn't matter where it comes from.

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« Reply #100 on: June 06, 2005, 07:21:20 pm »
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I tried creating a new test calender in O2K and added one or two items to it.  I told KO/Pi to import the entries from the new calender and it works fine.  What suggestion can you make for a next step?
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What are you trying to accomplish, exactly?  


Well... based on my earlier post,  I'm trying to import my OL2K calendar data without the Windoze version of KDEPIM generating a GPF and collapsing in on itself.  As I said earlier the import brings up a dialog saying "xxxx entries imported" and then when I click OK the app GPF's.  Z suggested testing with another test calendar, which I did, and the one or two entries I created did import correctly.  So either the quantity of entries or something in my >2000 entries causes KDEPIM(Windoze) to crap out.  I'd rather not audit that number of entries in an attempt to find out why the KO/Pi (Windoze) dies.  Is there another path I can take to transfer my data away from OL2K so that I can move to an app that will let me sync to Linux apps?  

It appears there's a blown pointer in some code that gets invoked by some piece of data in my calendar.

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« Reply #101 on: June 06, 2005, 10:03:12 pm »
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That said, if you (or anyone else for that matter) have concrete suggestions, I'm always more than ready to examine and discuss them. A good idea's a good idea, doesn't matter where it comes from.
Sorry, I have no solutions, only complaints... afterall, I'm originally from the States. (^^;;

I would like to play with the KO/Pi source, but the last time I looked at it I found the compilation method to be a rather daunting task; if I remember correctly, correct compilation went as far as requiring the modification of certain system headers and such.

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« Reply #102 on: June 07, 2005, 05:02:49 am »
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Sorry, I have no solutions, only complaints... afterall, I'm originally from the States. (^^;;
You can word your suggestions here, there's no need to implement them yourself.
Howitzer, I think Lutz is going to have to take a look at your problem himself.

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« Reply #103 on: June 07, 2005, 12:54:54 pm »
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I tried creating a new test calender in O2K and added one or two items to it.  I told KO/Pi to import the entries from the new calender and it works fine.  What suggestion can you make for a next step?
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Please try to import your 2000 events with version 2.1.5 and let me know if it works.

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« Reply #104 on: June 07, 2005, 01:04:57 pm »
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Please try to import your 2000 events with version 2.1.5 and let me know if it works.

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Will do...  I was starting to look into how to build the XP version of the tool in order to find out where in the code it was dying, and perhaps give feedback on what data was killing the app.  However, it was a bit confusing as to what I needed to compile, and I hadn't had time to figure out what tools I need to build the XP version.