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« on: June 08, 2005, 08:59:46 am »
which should I get? the 5500 is by far the cheapest. Anyone have any experiance w/ 2 or 3 of these that can give me an opinion? What about putting debian on it? Links for that?
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2005, 09:07:43 am »
Only used the c860 myself...    DON'T go near the 5500, especially if you're talking about working with debian, etc...  Also it has like only 2 hours battery life...

C1000 is basically the same beast as the C3000, except with 128meg of flash instead of 4gb microdrive...

The flagship product is now the c3100 which has the 4gb microdrive as well as the 128 meg of flash...

I personally would recommend the c1000 as it represents good value for money, has more rom support at the moment (temporary situation) and has usb host so you can plug in all the interesting devices you can think of (device driver depending...)

c1000 / c3000 roms are still in beta, give it a month or so but working versions are around here on the forums.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2005, 09:16:54 am »
I have a 5500 and a 760.  I was glad I bought the 5500 (about $100) first and made sure I was committed and would use it before I dropped the bigger bucks.  All of my accessories and applications were portable t othe 760 when I bought it.

It is more limited for sure, but I got a lot out of it (full webserver and development in java and php, mysql, streaming video, wireless browsing, IM, email, etc).  I still use it as my development web server.

If you are interested in an X-based ROM I would go straight for a C-series.  X is not practical on the low resolution screen of a 5500.

I chose the 760 because it was a few hundred cheaper than a new model and had better rom support.  However, the gap may be closing so it may be worth looking into a 1000 which has a better keyboard and USB host.

So if you know the zaurus is right for you, look at the 1000.  If you want to get your feet wet, I would check out the 5500.

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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2005, 09:54:46 pm »
where is the 3100 available from? I looked at dynamism and couldn't find it. Other thoughts?
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2005, 10:33:08 pm »
We currently have it on Preorder and I believe Conics.net has preorder as well. http://www.streamlinecpus.com
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2005, 10:54:11 pm »
I used to own an SL-5500, then sold it, then bought an SL-C1000 a few months later.

I originally sold my SL-5500 because I couldn't deal with it anymore. Due to a sizeable bit of stupidity during the first few days I had my 5500, I plugged it into a 6V power supply, which blew the internal battery charging mechanism. The rest of the unit was fine, but I had to buy an external charger for my battery.

However, there were other things that I disliked about the SL-5500:
It did not have a fast enough processor to decode well-encoded DivX movies (one of my main intended uses) or to run emulators well (another of my main intended uses). The contrast of the screen was poor, and when trying to show different shades of black it would get all messed up. The screen resolution was not too great, especially when trying to view webpages. The keyboard was a bit too small for me to comfortably thumb-type on. The internal flash was not large enough to hold all the programs I wanted to install - I had to reformat an SD card and use it for applications. One of the hinge connectors on the plastic screen cover broke, and I had to super-glue it back on, but the cover was still loose so my screen got dirty.
Most of all, the battery life on my unit in particular was abysmal. I bought it used from a friend for a really low price, so it may have been that my battery was nearing the end of its lifespan, but I was rarely able to get over 1 hour of use out of my unit.

So on to my SL-C1000 - it is everything I wanted the SL-5500 to be. The processor is fast enough to run emulators and play movies, the screen contrast is noticeably better (more on that in a second), the resolution is impressive and is just right for web pages, the keyboard is bigger, the internal flash is large enough to hold all my applications, everything on the unit seems very sturdily constructed (I did worry before buying the unit that the flip-around screen would perhaps become weak over time, but the hold flip-out and around mechanism feels so solid that I'm not worried about that anymore), and the clamshell design keeps my screen from getting too dirty.
And, most of all, I am astounded by the battery life. In order to test the life, I devised what I like to call the Lord of the Rings video stress test. I ripped LotR - Return of the King, compressed it to a 700MB DivX file and copied it to my 1GB SD card. I then charged my SL-C1000, put it on full brightness, connected my Shure E2C earphones, turned the volume up to a reasonable level, and opened the movie in mplayer with a Kino2 frontend, bvdd drivers installed. I was expecting my Zaurus to run out of batteries 2.5 to 3 hours into the 3:20 movie. That did not happen. Instead, it made it all the way through the movie, then through two 20 minute episodes of Futurama, then about 10 minutes into some light text editor use, before it finally turned off. The total run time, with the screen brightness on full and the sound in my headphones on, playing DivX from my SD card, was 4 hours and 15 minutes.
The only thing that dissapoints me about my SL-C1000 is that the screen is so very hard to read in direct sunlight. Note that it is still quite useable on a bright summer day outside in the shade, but if I'm trying to make a note or something while walking around outside, it's a bit difficult. Many people also complain about the lack of internal wifi, but Wifi CF cards are a cheap and effective solution to that problem. I suppose I should note that my SL-5500 was no better at showing the screen in direct sunlight, but I believe I have read that SL-6000s use a different screen lighting technology that looks much better in intense external light.

Apart from everything I didn't like about my SL-5500 being improved, I enjoy the SL-C1000's new features, too. It looks nicer than the SL-5500, the flip-around screen, though I don't use it much, is still useful on many occasions, the keyboard is not only bigger but has more keys, which makes entering non-alphabetical characters easier, and, of course, the USb host is quite awesome. You can hook up any keyboard easily and it will instantly be recognized. External USB can usually be used with little hassle, as long as you set thing up first, and I am exploring more exotic peripherals such as external USB drives and webcams.
My favorite peripheral is my iRiver ihp-120 20GB mp3 player. I was able, after mounting it via the command line, to connect my music player as an external hard drive and use it to store more than one full-length movie while on the go.

In short, the SL-C1000 is a wonderful machine, and with the USB host port available on all of the four-digit SL-C models, the 4GB internal hard drive is not really that important. As long as you can manage to spare enough money for the SL-C1000, definitely go for it. If you can't get enough money together, I would recommend at least buying an SL-5600, with a faster processor and almost twice as large battery.

All that being said, I don't think the SL-5500 is a bad machine, and if I had bought one new and had been less clumsy and stupid with it, I might still be using one.

Also, if you do decide to get an SL-C1000, I would highly recommend StreamLineCPUs/TriSoft, who do a great job with english conversion, offer incredible support, and, though they are not as cheap as pricejapan.com or conics.net, are still significantly less expensive than Dynamism.

(Hope that wasn't too long)

P.S. - The SL-C3100 won't be out until June 24th, so it wouldn't be available at places like Dynamism right now.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2005, 08:30:02 am »
other thoughts? I really like the price ($175 on ebay) of the SL-5500, but the C1000 looks like a better PDA. Will the price of the C3000 come down when the 3100 comes out? there seems to be about a $200 dollar difference, is that because of the microdrive? Thank you for all the information up until now.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2005, 08:40:41 am »
I loved my 5500 and still keep it for some apps.  But I would recomend a C series for the faster processor, clearer screen (Not just resolution but brightness and clarity)  The memory layout of the C series works better also. Although I do miss the robustness of the 5500s memory with the internal battery keeping your memory from resetting when the main battery runs out.

Unless you crave the bleading edge Id go for a 2nd hand 7 series or 8 series.  The only thing these devices lack is the USB master port (to allow you to plug USB devices into the Z) otherwise they run every thing a C1000 C3x00 will run but without the price tag.

Which erver you go for you will undoubtably find out more than you thought you would about Linux, networking, devices and multimedia coding than you ever thought you would. ;-)
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2005, 08:48:35 am »
the C7 or C8 series seems to be going for about the same amount as the SL-C1000. So, it seems that the C1k series would be a better deal, flip screen, circular touchpad, newer, etc. Other thoughts? Is the extra $200 for the C3k series because of the microdrive?
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2005, 10:03:29 am »
As many fear, I would say the 3k should not be an option.  The 3.1k is definitely better than the 3k because it is less reliant on the HDD for applications.  This means faster load speed and less problems if the HDD goes bad.
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2005, 10:29:36 am »
ok, but the 3k is $200 dollars cheaper that the 3.1k. Other thoughts? I'm leaning towards the 1k, hows the wifi support on it?
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2005, 10:39:31 am »
Depends on the ROM you use
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2005, 10:49:22 am »
what about w/ the openzaurus rom? Which rom is closest to debian? I've looked into debian on the zaurus but it looks like it hasn't been updated in a while.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2005, 11:20:06 am »
OpenZaurus is pretty close to debian in file system layout and base system.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2005, 11:36:22 am »
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the C7 or C8 series seems to be going for about the same amount as the SL-C1000. So, it seems that the C1k series would be a better deal, flip screen, circular touchpad, newer, etc. Other thoughts? Is the extra $200 for the C3k series because of the microdrive?
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The $200 difference between the C1000 and 3000 is definitely for that microdrive - cause otherwise they are the same (except for the Flash layout).

In the long run, I think the C1000 and now the C3100 will have more ROM development than the C3000, since its now a one off machine with a different memory layout where the ROM has to be flashed on the microdrive instead of the Falsh memory (I believe).

If you really really need the 4 GB microdrive space, then go for the 3100 (even thoug it costs $200 dollars extra) + you get that black and red keyboard and black looks overall (much better than the white 3000).

On the other hand if you want to save money, get the C1000 and buy a 4 GB CF microdrive for it as a extra when you need the extra space. Seriously as one user mentioned, with the USB host port - you can easily plug in a micro HDD (I bought the Archos Arcdrive 20GB HDD which fits in my palm) and use that as extra space when you need it and keep the CF slot free. The only think is with these 20GB drives, you may need a powered USB HUB alongside [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12480](see the USB devices working on C1000 thread)[/url].

On the ROM side - currently both the C3000 and C1000 has a Cacko ROM for it (Still in development) , an OpenZaurus ROM and a PDAX too.
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