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« on: June 17, 2005, 04:26:15 pm »
Is it possible to connect a Z to a cellphone, and then use a dialup provider to get mobile internet access?

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2005, 08:05:39 pm »
I understand there are ways to do it w/ a laptop, at least in Windows. I don't know about the Z though. Why not use a Wifi card?
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 08:29:30 pm »
A wifi card requires a wifi router - a cellphone requires a tower.  much easier to find towers.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2005, 12:19:17 am »
can use gprs which is faster than connecting to your dialip isp..

most phones these days have the AT command set built in... you can connect to them via infrared or bluetooth... if you dial into your isp you can get data at around 9600bps or alternatively use your carrier's "isp" by using gprs roughly at 56000-115200bps.

in my experience the speeds are perfectly acceptible using gprs and very handy to use your z almost anywhere to connect to the net.

ive set up how to do it using c3000 and bluetooth via se630 phone www.neoresearch.org/gilbert/zaurus.html
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2005, 10:17:12 am »
I've been able to plug my Z into my Verizon phone (Samsung a650) with a USB cable and get on the net that way. It took a bit of setup (have to mknod the tty devices for the acm kernel module, and give pppd and chat the right incantations). I will document this sometime in the next two weeks or so, just don't have time right now.

Main caveat is that NetFront is trying to be to smart, doesn't see that the network is up via ppp and keeps asking if I want to bring it up...I have to use a fake wi-fi connection to shut it up. Annoying.  But I can ssh out, which was my main goal. (I got my Z with the hopes of being able to do this.)
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2005, 10:18:44 pm »
PLEAESE do document this. It is something I have been meaning to do.... and if you have it working... well it would save me a headache.

also..any body know clearly about what constitutes "voice data" and what is considered "digital data?"
I think there is a serious price difference--and I'm only really interested in using free evening and weekend connections to dial into a server at (as voice data?) home, etc...  not at all interested in paying $$$ per meg  
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 01:56:10 am »
YES YOU CAN!

first off!

answer these questions by yourself or post em here so people can really help you.

I use bluez drivers on a c1000 networked dialup digital access through my siemens s56 using ambicom made in taiwan bluetooth.  my cellphone gives me 56k speeds even when i am on the freeway(someone else driving of course)

anyway

answer these questions

do you pay for digital access through your cellphone company?

do you have bluetooth capability on the cell phone?

if your cell phone has infrared and digital access, you can use the irda beam to access the internet instead of using bluetooth.  the problem with irda is that the beam has to be aligned or you loose connection.  with bluetooth, you can browse the net while your cellphone is locked away in the glove compartment

if you have digital accessthrough your cellular provider, irda(infrared) cellphone, post here and we will post away till you get your pda accessing the net with irda first before we get complicated with the usb cable or bluetooth.

if you do from the above and you are using what was once at&t, create a new connection and use as a dialup number *99#.  do not use username or password leave blank.  align the irda of zaurus to cellphone and connect.  it is tricky cuz you may need to reboot zaurus and cellphone a couple of times before you can connect.  Bluetooth is a luxery.  i have a siemens s56 that has a irda and bluetooth.

let us know dude!
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2005, 04:35:07 am »
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YES YOU CAN!

first off!

answer these questions by yourself or post em here so people can really help you.

I use bluez drivers on a c1000 networked dialup digital access through my siemens s56 using ambicom made in taiwan bluetooth.  my cellphone gives me 56k speeds even when i am on the freeway(someone else driving of course)

anyway

answer these questions

do you pay for digital access through your cellphone company?

do you have bluetooth capability on the cell phone?

if your cell phone has infrared and digital access, you can use the irda beam to access the internet instead of using bluetooth.  the problem with irda is that the beam has to be aligned or you loose connection.  with bluetooth, you can browse the net while your cellphone is locked away in the glove compartment

if you have digital accessthrough your cellular provider, irda(infrared) cellphone, post here and we will post away till you get your pda accessing the net with irda first before we get complicated with the usb cable or bluetooth.

if you do from the above and you are using what was once at&t, create a new connection and use as a dialup number *99#.  do not use username or password leave blank.  align the irda of zaurus to cellphone and connect.  it is tricky cuz you may need to reboot zaurus and cellphone a couple of times before you can connect.  Bluetooth is a luxery.  i have a siemens s56 that has a irda and bluetooth.

let us know dude!
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Going fishing for a week or so tomorrow. Was hoping to have this done by then..but haven't even started.

My cell service does not include digital access... it can be done but it is about an 8 meg per month transfer limit.. and fees usually asssociated with hostage negotiations thereafter. They are in fact my isp as well, though. The phone in question is a nokia 6230 (gsm). It has BT and a usb adapter, too... which gets me into either connecting to it w/ usb, or possibly using a usb BT dongle w/ pda Xrom (or eventually getting the z modded for BT..buit that's another story.).

If it helps, the telco/cableco/cellco/isp is GCI in Alaska.

Thanks

(just put up a dfferent server -p2 400sarge/stable-..haven't yet configured dial in..but that's also another story)

If I understand correctly, I can use the phone as an actual modem and only get dinged for voice data..is this generally the case?  As I said the "digital service" from my phone is billed like a hospital visit, and I really don't want any part of it. As you might have noticed, I'n not at all up on what constitutes cellphone digital service and how that is differentiated from modem/dialup data.

Is this useful info?

guess I'll bring the Z..there is a hotspot or two where I'm staying.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2005, 08:13:06 am »
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If I understand correctly, I can use the phone as an actual modem and only get dinged for voice data..is this generally the case?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=88285\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Short and simple answer: NO!

Digital cellular uses so-called speech codecs for audio transport. These are specifically designed for speech and discard most anything in the audio spectrum that isn't needed for that. So hooking up an analog modem to it might produce some modem-like noises at the other end, but it will be impossible to reconstruct the data from it. Rumour has it that very low speeds (i.e. FSK at max. 300 baud) do in fact work, but it's not something I have tried myself, so I can't vouch for it.

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2005, 09:53:10 am »
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If I understand correctly, I can use the phone as an actual modem and only get dinged for voice data..is this generally the case?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=88285\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Short and simple answer: NO!

Digital cellular uses so-called speech codecs for audio transport. These are specifically designed for speech and discard most anything in the audio spectrum that isn't needed for that. So hooking up an analog modem to it might produce some modem-like noises at the other end, but it will be impossible to reconstruct the data from it. Rumour has it that very low speeds (i.e. FSK at max. 300 baud) do in fact work, but it's not something I have tried myself, so I can't vouch for it.

Best regards,
Chris.
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   Well, except your short and simple answer isn't correct.

   Modern mobile phones almost invariably include the ability for the phone to act as a modem.  It doesn't make a whit of difference that in a digital phone system the bandwidth is filtered to those used by the human voice - because that's precisely what landline systems do, as well.  

   When I was with Sprint, I used my digital cell phone to dial up modems with the phone's internal modem all the time.  Now that I'm on Verizon, I use their 1xrtt system on my phone to get 144Kbps net connectivity, as well as being able to dial into terminal servers that have standard 56K analog modems on them, on a regular basis, when I'm out in the field.  And it all works perfectly well.

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2005, 10:45:19 am »
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   Well, except your short and simple answer isn't correct.

   Modern mobile phones almost invariably include the ability for the phone to act as a modem.  It doesn't make a whit of difference that in a digital phone system the bandwidth is filtered to those used by the human voice - because that's precisely what landline systems do, as well. 
Go reread the posts leading up to this. Understand them. Think about it again.

We were talking about using GSM voice services for data. And when it comes to that, my statement holds 100% true, I'm afraid.

Voice circuits in GSM are not just 'filtered'. Go read up on low-bitrate voice codecs and how they work. You won't get high-speed FSK/PSK/<insert favourite V.xx modulation here> across them. Period.

If and when data is transmitted in digital cellular such as GSM, it's flagged as such and in fact sent more or less verbatim across the digital link. Technically the phone doesn't really act as a 'classic' modem, even though it represents itself as such (much the same as, say, external ISDN TAs) to the DTE.

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   When I was with Sprint, I used my digital cell phone to dial up modems with the phone's internal modem all the time.  Now that I'm on Verizon, I use their 1xrtt system on my phone to get 144Kbps net connectivity, as well as being able to dial into terminal servers that have standard 56K analog modems on them, on a regular basis, when I'm out in the field.  And it all works perfectly well.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=88330\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Obviously it works perfectly well. But this has to do with the fact you are using data services.

As for connecting to standard analog modems -- what happens is that the data is in fact sent digitally using data services to an outgoing modem pool at your cellular provider, from where an actual analog modem connection is initiated into POTS over which your data is sent. Again, no magic there either. And no GSM voice circuit as well.

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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2005, 11:01:59 am »
sorry guys.

i can connect my cellphone to my zaurus in 2 ways

irda
bluetooth

unlimited data access through cellphone is 24 dollars a month.

i also have bluetooth to my laptop which i use my laptop from school to access the net right through the cellphone.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2005, 05:01:54 pm »
Guess I'll have to wait till alaska charges normal fees for data.

I suppose right now shipping all those bytes up here by air freight just costs the telco too much to provide reasonable service.

Thanks.

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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2006, 04:16:50 pm »
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unlimited data access through cellphone is 24 dollars a month.

Which service is this, please?

I am on Alltel.

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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2006, 07:51:45 pm »
I"m researching this and sprint is $15 a month for unlimited data
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