I think I'm going to give up on tkcVideo for right now, I was able to get kino2 running which I had a total crash, and installed the full version of Cacko 1.23 not the lite, and everything is running fine, thanks for all the help everyone. Guess I still have a lot to learn about this stuff, even though I've been a programmer for the older OS (DOS, UNIX, COBOL, FORTRAN, etc), thanks.