Will The Iphone Replace The Zaurus?

[HoloVector]

lets see......4 gigs of space......+music +video=they are on crack!!!!  so they expect me to buy online stuff and keep it in my phone?  haha!

I would be believe 1 terabyte but 4 gigs?  really....they think i'm stupid and totally insulting my intelligence.

It's like my levi's i been owning since I was in high school- They expect me to throw it away after use and buy a new one.  Guess again.
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No offence but, I'm not quite following you here.  Our 3200s only have 6 gigs of space built-in.  Are you insulted by Sharp, too?      

Yes, you can add more through the SD slot but, by the time the iPhone ships the highest capacity you will be able to buy will be a 2GB SD for your Z thanks to SDHC.  That gives you the exact same capacity as the high end iPhone.  I know some of us have 4GB SD cards but, those are no longer being manufactured since the SDHC cards were released and stocks of them will surely dry up before June.

I'm not counting the CF slot in my 3200 because it spends most of the time with a network card of some sort stuck in it.  And I believe that is how most people around here use their Zs as well.

Based on the pictures I saw the battery on the iPhone looks to be user replaceable unlike the iPods

Other than that to each his own.    

When I first saw the the 5000/5500 I had pretty much the same reaction as I did when I saw the iPhone today.  Which was, "Cool gadget! I can't to see the version they'll release that has all the features I want.  When that happens I will pick one up for sure."  In the Zs case, I needed, clamshell, VGA screen, USB host, multi-gigs of storage, WiFi for less than a grand.  Sharp
got almost all of that right except for the WiFi.  Apple needs to provide me with the same wish list and I'll pick one.  Although, I bet I have to give up on clamshell for the iPhone just like I gave up on WiFi for the Z.  

[Cresho]

I'll just say it once.

Let me know when you can just drag a file into that phone without it needing itunes or some other crap software and I would be very happy when that's available.

Other than that, it is total crap.


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on diff note....

Just the other day, I helped a buddy kick the ipod and went for the zen from creative(4-6 inch screen, 60gb hardisk).  Sure it needs software but all we do is drag and drop video, music, pictures and it comes with a cf slot for pictures with usable adaptors for etc. media cards- simple.

my cuzin ran into a mini-ipod, ituns crashed like hell on my bro's pc---was total crap.  The solution was to use winamp with plugin to make it run.  It is just awesome without that bloated software.  4 diff pc's running that itunes totally sucks.

I really preffer using terminal or dos to transfer files over to my unit.  Sometimes explorer or filebrowser without some company needing to put stupid software on my pc which causes tons of problems.

my nephews pc-  I showed him a few tricks avoiding itunes totally and now all his friends and himself included use winamp to transfer files into ipod video along with videos done in xillisoft.

So there you have it.  I love the product but the software is total pain in the butt!

phone looks gorgeous.  best phone in the block..i may buy one but i want to look at it first.  Believe me when i tell you ill be using it as a phone only.

can I run e17 on this?  

[Antikx]

I think comparing the iPhone with the Zaurus is a bit like comparing apples with oranges.
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Well put, and I agree.
Maybe we will find the iPhone to be fairly hackable telephone after it's been released, but the Zaurus is still in the PDA category... and sadly it is a dieing category.

[BarryW]

I'll just say it once.

Let me know when you can just drag a file into that phone without it needing itunes or some other crap software and I would be very happy when that's available.

Other than that, it is total crap.


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on diff note....

Just the other day, I helped a buddy kick the ipod and went for the zen from creative(4-6 inch screen, 60gb hardisk).  Sure it needs software but all we do is drag and drop video, music, pictures and it comes with a cf slot for pictures with usable adaptors for etc. media cards- simple.

my cuzin ran into a mini-ipod, ituns crashed like hell on my bro's pc---was total crap.  The solution was to use winamp with plugin to make it run.  It is just awesome without that bloated software.  4 diff pc's running that itunes totally sucks.

I really preffer using terminal or dos to transfer files over to my unit.  Sometimes explorer or filebrowser without some company needing to put stupid software on my pc which causes tons of problems.

my nephews pc-  I showed him a few tricks avoiding itunes totally and now all his friends and himself included use winamp to transfer files into ipod video along with videos done in xillisoft.

So there you have it.  I love the product but the software is total pain in the butt!

phone looks gorgeous.  best phone in the block..i may buy one but i want to look at it first.  Believe me when i tell you ill be using it as a phone only.

can I run e17 on this? 
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You can barely run e17 on the Z.  

I drag and drop music on my iPod all the time.  Sure it uses iTunes, but I've never had a problem with it.  My wife and her assistant both use iTunes on their pc's, never have a problem with it.  I figure by the time I can get my hands on an iPhone, most of the bugs will have been worked out.  Though I may never get one if they stick with just cingular.  They aren't up here yet...

[xjqian]

does anybody have a detailed iphone specs?

[Jon_J]

From this thread at 1src:
http://www.1src.com/forums/showpost.php?p=...94&postcount=26

Specs:

Screen size: 3.5 inches
Screen resolution: 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
Input method: Multi-touch
Operating system: OS X
Storage: 4GB or 8GB
GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
Camera: 2.0 megapixels
Battery

* Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
* Up to 16 hours Audio playback

Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
Weight: 4.8 ounces / 135 grams

[xjqian]

Thanks, but those are already up there on Apple's website. I mean the specs of CPU, flash memory, etc that developers are interested.

[danboid]

This iphone, just like the Nokia N800, is another 'almost' but ultimately a failure in my eyes. If the Nokia N800 had been a clamshell with keyboard, internal HDD and proper USB host then that would've been a true successor to the c3x00 Z's. The iphones screen (res wise) and HD aren't big enough to make it a good video playback device and I'll bet it has all sorts of annoying DRM to stop you enjoying music properly on it.

On the other hand, the computing industries refusal to release a better clamshell device than the c3x00 helps protect my investment and bragging rights but it does make you wonder if the PDA market really is dead.

kahm:

I honestly think you should start listing the computers you DON'T own in your sig, it'll be shorter. Do you have an IT block in your house

[Da_Blitz]

e17 on the iphone, not likly but i have heard roumors of the zune doing those sorts of tricks

i think i am at the point where i feel that the "common man" is holding me back in terms of technolagy. we have all this cool stuff that is too "complicated" for the users or so they say

as an entry level phone this thing is a real killer, no more no less. where this thing dosent compete is in the top end (i feel the same way about blackberries) however that wont stop somepeople from bragging that its a top end phone and the best on the market

to those people i say "is your phone loaded with an ftp server, webserver and a mobile torrent client and can do aoying things with bluetooth to other people " some people need these features some dont (btw the web and ftp servers are for moving files around on wlan, its my version of samba for wince)

on the other hand i am learning from apple, they did make some incredable UI choices and asthetic choices as well (keyboard pops up a notification above the top to show which button you pushed). after seeing this and the fund drive for the open source nvidia cards it really pushes me too finish off what i have been doing (even more so after my Z "incedent")

[dhns]

For me:

iPhone = iPod within the hood of a nice consumer Phone and creatively designed user interface + internet&mail access.

Zaurus = Minicomputer for your pocket with a multitude of communication options and accessories

-- hns

[adf]

personally, I'm more interested in the neo.

[Cresho]

One main issue for use as a personal phone is battery life.  5 hours?  that is terrible.  at least 12 is perfect.  Not alot of phones can do this I agree but I expected more.  I was willing to gor for such a device but not for 5 hours talktime.

[speculatrix]

No offence but, I'm not quite following you here.  Our 3200s only have 6 gigs of space built-in.  Are you insulted by Sharp, too?      
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given there are 20GB microdrives existing, I am surprised apple didn't use one... however I have  never found any way of actually buying one!

the latest JVC everio digi camcorders have 60GB options, if these are microdrives then I would love to have one in the Z!

[Capn_Fish]

I personally don't like OSX or Apple, so pardon me if I'm being negative.

Capn Fish,

Have you used Apple products before?

What's wrong with OSX?
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I find OSX hard to use, but that's probably just me not being used to it. I feel that they took perfectly good Unix and messed it up. The lack of a right mouse button is awkward too. I also don't like the bar at the top of the screen or the one at the bottom. I don't know what either one is called, but one seems to be a quick launch/taskbar and the other seems to be a standard launch bar.

I have used iPods, and I don't really like the scroll wheel. It kind of hurts my thumb after a while. Their desktop all-in-ones, whatever they're called, are pretty slick, but I don't like the white. It stands out too much, and I also like to be able to tinker inside my desktops easily.

Does that clear that up well enough?

[nilch]

The future will tell if the Apple iPhone will be a totally closed device with nobody other than Apple and Apple blessed co-developers will be able to develop apps for it  or others can also write apps for it using a freely (or easily) available SDK - which actually makes it an open device.

I doubt that 2nd option will ever happen.
So in essence you are locked down to what Apple provides and maybe a little hack here and there.
If that is indeed the case, then it really can't compare with the Zaurus. I mean how many Windows Smartphone phones have been loaded with Linux (OE) (widely) so far ?

Do we think we can just put a FTP server or VNC client on it and get going ? No way I think. Apple is going to lock it down well and good to its own walled garden of hardware and software (with MS Windows support of course thrown in). The only difference is that this time its a hardware company dictating what works and what does not instead of the ISP, which screwed us so far with Smartphone features disables and killed.

Hope I am proved wrong though.
But I have to give it to Apple for designing this beauty and I think it will move the ground from underneath many a phone designer and service provider in terms of changing the playing field.