Angstrom

[ZDevil]

Angstrom fails to resume from suspend on many occasion on 860.
The problem of date reverting back to 1970 persists as in the newer versions of pdaXrom.
And can't see much useful documentation to start with ...
Ready to flash to something else ...  

[ShiroiKuma]

Angstrom fails to resume from suspend on many occasion on 860.
The problem of date reverting back to 1970 persists as in the newer versions of pdaXrom.
And can't see much useful documentation to start with ...
Ready to flash to something else ... 
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Actually, it doesn't fail to resume from suspend, I've had this issue with OZ too.

What happens is that it resumes, but the screen is blank. If you resume, then don't see nothing, you should use the Fn-4 key combo and increase the screen resolution.

It's got something to do with the setting, it has a suspend timer and a screen dim timer, somehow if you have screen dim lower than suspend timer, it often does this. Took me a while to figure out. Now I just disable screen dim, just leave suspend on and works no prob.

The date reverts back to 1970 only on user reboot - i.e. if you pull the battery out. If you reboot via a reboot command, it's fine.

[jpmatrix]

3) Connectivity
My Symbol Spectrum24 Cf Wifi card is automatically detected and loaded with eth0. Nice. But i have yet to set up a wireless connection yet as dhcpcd seems missing, or maybe it's in some extar package.
I will also try my seldomly used Anycom bluetooth CF on it.

i think you'll have problems running your bluetooth card... look at this bug report:

http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2066

at least my Belkin BT CF doens't want to work.......

[ShiroiKuma]

Using the solution in the abovementioned bug report I'm using an Anycom CF BT card "just fine".

[ZDevil]

Using the solution in the abovementioned bug report I'm using an Anycom CF BT card "just fine".
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Thank you for your tips, ShiroiKuma and jpmatrix! Will give them a try.
But frankly i think it may not be a good idea to require the user to read through the bug reports in order to get the system "just working". All the basic settings stuff should appear in a introduction/tutorial/quickstart document for a common user.
And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience.  

[ShiroiKuma]

I know what you're saying and I'm with you on this. I'm also very interested in the Debian, if I can get the compiled kernel for a 3200 I'll test it.

That said, Angstrom is really stable, and rock solid for usage, if you figure out the little caveats, like the bluetooth stuff above, I spent literally a number of weeks trying to get it done. There are no docs cause it's still in the pre-launch development phase.

Compared with pdaXrom though it's blazing fast.

I've used pdaXrom for some time and wasn't happy, Angstrom is much faster, that's why it's much more useable on the Z. And it's got GCC 4.1.2 which works natively on the Z.

However there are downsides, like the Firefox just doesn't work, fails silently etc.

Maybe this debian would be a better deal... And since it's EABI it should be as fast as Angstrom.

[Chero]

And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience. 
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"Contradictio in terminis"

Debian EABI for zaurus is (according to me) far from "user-ready". There should be a rootfs with X and keymap preinstalled.

Maybe your dream may some day become reality, but as for now I only see more roms appear instead of joining efforts ....

Chero.

[speculatrix]

That said, Angstrom is really stable, and rock solid for usage, if you figure out the little caveats, like the bluetooth stuff above, I spent literally a number of weeks trying to get it done. There are no docs cause it's still in the pre-launch development phase.
.snip.
I've used pdaXrom for some time and wasn't happy, Angstrom is much faster, that's why it's much more useable on the Z. And it's got GCC 4.1.2 which works natively on the Z.
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In theory, for s/w projects, documentation should start before the first line of code is written.

In my experience as a developer, documentation always takes second place to the fun part of doing new things even when being paid for it; the OZ/Angstrom guys are developers and volunteers, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for documentation! What OZ/Angstrom guys need to do is appoint someone to write the *skeleton* of a manual using a wiki (much like Antikz's general zaurus manual) and then ordinary users can contribute - it's the only way to get a consistent and coherent document!

BTW, for people on kernel 2.4 distros there's been a native gcc sdk version gcc2.95 for a long time, it's a cramfs image.

[ZDevil]

And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience. 
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"Contradictio in terminis"

Debian EABI for zaurus is (according to me) far from "user-ready". There should be a rootfs with X and keymap preinstalled.

Maybe your dream may some day become reality, but as for now I only see more roms appear instead of joining efforts ....

Chero.
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Isn't it your (and most common users') dream, too?    

Definitely user-friendliness is the key for one to be successful.
Given that everything in the system is in place (including X and keymap), Debian will surely have great potential to be the one. At least there should be no shortage of *working* and *useful* packages, and most differences can be reduced to a matter of different architecture.
So i see Debian EABI and OpenBSD as more genuine "joining efforts" in this way.

Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
Yet on top of it we also want something standard, up-to-date and with good performance.

[speculatrix]

Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
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I wouldn't call sharp rom the most stable; it's probably the most complete system, and the most mature.  It's also not the most open (given sharp proprietary kernel modules) either.

[jpmatrix]

Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
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I wouldn't call sharp rom the most stable; it's probably the most complete system, and the most mature.  It's also not the most open (given sharp proprietary kernel modules) either.
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well, let's do a little flashback :
(i'm talking about the C3000)

-first we had the Sharp ROM, good rom, stable enough, some good and working software but no real evolution despite some sharp rom releases

-then we could put Pocketworkstation on it, simili-debian emulation, whow! , but damned slowwwww

-then cacko, but difficult to install on a C3000

-then OpenZaurus, working great on the C3000, but stuck to a unfinished version

-then alleluia pdaXii13 (thanks again master Meanie!)


but all that stuck to kernel 2.4 on the C3000

-then we could try the alternates Angstrom and OpenBSD, into which i'm really hesitating  right now i'm flashing back and forth from A to O, trying to find the first which will accept to do bluetooth dialup networking

i didn't heard about Debian EABI before today! (i'm used to have Deb on my desktop PC not a long time ago...) . That would be a dream come true

so keep up the good work ! zaurus is not dead !


to come back to the topic with Angstrom, i'm a little angry your bluetooth card works with it and not mine....... grrrrrrrr... anyway i'd try the latest 20070422 build to see if it helps....

[Chero]

And now i am so tempted to flash Debian EABI on my 860. A standard, stable and REALLY usable system is my dream Z experience. 
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"Contradictio in terminis"

Debian EABI for zaurus is (according to me) far from "user-ready". There should be a rootfs with X and keymap preinstalled.

Maybe your dream may some day become reality, but as for now I only see more roms appear instead of joining efforts ....

Chero.
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Isn't it your (and most common users') dream, too?    

Definitely user-friendliness is the key for one to be successful.
Given that everything in the system is in place (including X and keymap), Debian will surely have great potential to be the one. At least there should be no shortage of *working* and *useful* packages, and most differences can be reduced to a matter of different architecture.
So i see Debian EABI and OpenBSD as more genuine "joining efforts" in this way.

Perhaps Sharp rom is the most stable and "user-friendly" system.
Yet on top of it we also want something standard, up-to-date and with good performance.
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Yes it is,
All I was trying to say that debian EABI for zaurus isn't there yet. I sure hope it will be there soon (something like "what about yesterday ?")  

Chero.

[jpmatrix]

well well well...
i've just flashed to angstrom latest and i'm running into screen calibration trouble.......

[ShiroiKuma]

What's the trouble?

[jpmatrix]

After screen calibration then the pointer does not point where you click...Impossible to use then.