Debian On C3xxx (merged Topics)

[dlj0]

I had a problem with wifi after install as well.  The issue for me was the wrong kernel module being loaded, or maybe two of them.  I gooled the error message and found that, on my old card, I needed to blacklist hostap and unblacklist orinoco -- exactly the opposite of what most will suggest.  Maybe we both need new cards.

But for me eth0 is still the cf wifi interface, and it works so much better now than any other.
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I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and both hostap and orinoco are not there (not blacklisted yet).
So I added

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blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_pci
blacklist hostap_plxto the file and reboot. Still having trouble.


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Try backlisting orinoco and unblacklisting hostap, instead.  That was the suggestion I found on the net, but most people have newer wifi cards than mine.  But I had a specific error message (I forgot it now, very odd, looks like raw code), so maybe your problem is different from mine.

[dlj0]

I checked /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and both hostap and orinoco are not there (not blacklisted yet).
So I added

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blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_pci
blacklist hostap_plxto the file and reboot. Still having trouble.

I didn't have either of the last two of those, I had just

blacklist hostap
blacklist hostap_cs

Originally both the hostap and the orinoco modules loaded.  For my old card, the orinoco modules worked, the hostap did not. 

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[dlj0]

I'll give it a few tries this weekend.  I have another theory, too.
That zImage that goes on the SD isn't the debian kernel, is it?  

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yes, it is a debian kernel -- full thing, not just a bootloader.

Is it maybe more of a boot loader kernel?  I sugggest this both from what seems to be the way openbsd is doing things, and because on every ther debian install I've ever done, the debian kernel is in the install image?  

it's a Zaurus thing.  That is where the kernel has to go, as I understand it.

From my last glimpse at the comments on the TichyLinux site, it appears that the kernel is an angstrom one. So I'm thinking that Capn Fish and other like minded souls will be able to get thoroughly involved with this!

No, Angstrom kernels are armel-based, not arm, and they will not run arm binaries....  I tried.

I really posted to report how easy it is to use my usb lan dongle.  

I stopped the wifi, ejected it and plugged in the dongle. Then i did the modprobe ohci-hcd magic. i didn't have to mess about with command line configuration. i did install dhclient and all it took was to use dhclient and it went off and connected me!  

I'm now going to try and upgrade to lenny.  

I've twiddled the sources list and an update and a dist-upgrade should do the trick. Since I've had three days with about 4 hours per night sleep playing at this I'll leave it to play while I nap in front of the TV!  

Cheers.
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[dlj0]

Hello,
Just a few questions please:

1.Are there any emulators that work well for debian arm?

2.What about notepad or a quick way to scribble notes?

3.What are the top 5 apps that the Debian users are using currently?

4. What does Pdaxii13 do better?

Thanks in advance
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emulators of what?  You mean wine?  I would not hope for much out of that.

As far as notes go, you could try mousepad, but I prefere xpostit for this sort of thing.

Top 5?  For me?  icedove, iceweasel, LyX (and TeX), wxmaxima, pysol...

I haven't used pdaXrom since beta 1, since I could not upgrade to the one with the 2.6 kernel.

[adf]

I think he means game console emulators? amaiga and dos emulators? that kind of thing?

Along the lines of iceweasel being a good reason to run  debian, has anyone tired NVU/Kompozer?
and, Zdevil, have you tried kde?  3.5 is more useable on a cf in pdaxii13 than it was on the MD--I bet it would be useable in debian run from a CF.

Anyone try an NX client? (is there one for arm?)

sshfs?

I'd be willing to bet that pdaxii13 does video/audio playback way better, and very likely does better game emulation. Pdax, and especially pdaxii13 has a longer history of refinement on the Z--and the iwmmxt/bvd/audio enhancement stuff for the 2.4 kernel hasn't been matched by anything running 2.6 on the Z.  

The advantage of debian is that it is a Z (and apparently already a pretty good one) port of a big, well integrated, developed and maintained distro--arguably much more powerful from a systems stand point---that and some of the software (like the web browser) is newer

[tux]

 Hi adf,
give it another try when you can find a cheap 128 MB card. I'm sure you'd be happy with this system, unless you and Meanie are correct about your big drive.  

Since you have experience of pdax systems, do you have any suggestion of how I might avoid using sudo to load the gui as a 'normal' user? I was wondering if an x user group might be a possibility?

Good luck with getting Titchy working.  

  I have been happy using kdepimpi on my Zs and the thumbdrive version on my boxes. I just copy the working file to/fro the current Z to the boxes.

So I installed kdepim in Titchy last night and it took a while, it also takes ages to load! But I've just copied the calendar files across into my home directory. When I double tapped korganiser sprang, creakily, to life and imported it. I then imported the birthday file and merged it in. If I was cleverer with korganiser I might have chosen better.

I'm just waiting to see what happens now I've double tapped the addressbook file. 600 plus contacts! So it could be a while. I've just clicked on 'import all'. I should go for another cup of tea.  The drive led is still flashing occasionally, so I really will have that cup of tea before saving and exiting from kaddressbook.  

If I use the kdepim apps I'm going to have to leave the addressbook app open in a workspace or it will be far too slow!

This does work but is slow. The calendar files are ics format, the addressbook files are vcf. I'll go googling for apps that can use these formats and that might work quickly.
Any suggestions are more than welcome.

I'm finding that titchy is making me feel more ambitious. Compiling programs on the 3200 looks more doable, I've loaded build-essential. I'm even thinking that a big drive like ZDevil would be worth the attempt.  

Cheers

[adf]

I'm pretty sure the kernel isn't identifying my drive. I'm also pretty sure that it should (other kernels do- this one is a very inconvenient  anomaly), and that with an update or two it will.  Actually I kinda suspect that someone with more of a clue about Z kernels than I have will get curious about improving hardware support in the near future- this is too cool to leave with iffy sound, awkward rotation and a sideways mouse (and mis-Identifying a very common, cost effective card--the current price difference between ZDevel's card and mine is over $100 USD)
 Anyway, since the devopment environment is one of the attractions here, I agree that you should compile something more useful, or quicker, pimwise. Maybe the pimlico stuff would suit?

Incidentally, the kdepim will load much more quickly if you are running kde (or maybe some other qt-based desktop?), which benefits hugely from the faster seek rate on a flash card

[tux]

I'm pretty sure the kernel isn't identifying my drive. I'm also pretty sure that it should (other kernels do- this one is a very inconvenient  anomaly), and that with an update or two it will.  Actually I kinda suspect that someone with more of a clue about Z kernels than I have will get curious about improving hardware support in the near future- this is too cool to leave with iffy sound, awkward rotation and a sideways mouse (and mis-Identifying a very common, cost effective card--the current price difference between ZDevel's card and mine is over $100 USD)
 Anyway, since the devopment environment is one of the attractions here, I agree that you should compile something more useful, or quicker, pimwise. Maybe the pimlico stuff would suit?

Incidentally, the kdepim will load much more quickly if you are running kde (or maybe some other qt-based desktop?), which benefits hugely from the faster seek rate on a flash card
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  I thought the Xcfe idea was that it would run better on a low resource machine? I'll leave trying kde until I've got a bit further in!  

I've just removed kdepim and stared to look for other possibilities. Orage which is the calendar app for Xcfe loads the ics files. I'll carry on with my googling and see what i can find for contacts. I don't want to go the 'import contacts from Outlook' route. I want at least to be able to copy the data files between the various apps I use without extra fiddles.  

 
(I forgot to say that the dist-upgrade went well. Just had to use ZDevil's tip about xdm remove to work from a text login.)  

Cheers

[adf]

XFCE will be faster, definitely. I simply like having the kde option.

As I said earlier, I bet the epiphany-with-webkit-backend will be worth trying out, though.

glad to hear "testing" is an option.

[Capn_Fish]

XFCE will be faster, definitely. I simply like having the kde option.

As I said earlier, I bet the epiphany-with-webkit-backend will be worth trying out, though.

glad to hear "testing" is an option.
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Isn't the webkit stuff excruciatingly buggy and crashes almost as soon as you load the browser?

[Chero]

Hi,

Wanted : X-specialist.

I installed u-boot and pdaXrom r198 after the titchy setup.
I can boot both pdaXrom and debian (debian by pressing "2" while booting).

I can use bluetooth and wifi in both systems. They both use kernel 2.6.16 now.
The downside (or the problem to solve) : I can't run X.
I checked the way kdrive is installed in debian, but it doesn't seem to be standard and it seems to be using it's own libs ??
I tried the pdaXrom Xfbdev, but no go.
I tried xorg, but then X can't find display.
I also tried Xephyr (based on kdrive ?) but that one asks to set the display. I tried "zaurus:0" and "127.0.0.1:0" but no go.
Anyone have an idea ?
Dualbooting pdaX and debian would be a dream machine !

Chero.

[tux]

(I forgot to say that the dist-upgrade went well. Just had to use ZDevil's tip about xdm remove to work from a text login.)  

Cheers
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  So the latest: removed everything I installed, titchy-desktop, abiword, iceweasel, sylpheed... (I left dhclient on.)

 Then I installed titchy, the complete desktop set up from N&T site.

  The contact (gpe) program loads the kdepimpi file from the Zs. It doesn't do the categories though. Orage is the calendar and will load the kdepimpi file from the Zs.  

Serendipity! So it looks like I should get on to my Nokia tablets and see if the gpe suite will load the files from the Zs.  

As to the pimlico suite: dates seems ok, there is a repository if you look on the pimlico site. Contacts seems to want to load some evolution libraries. I decided not to bother for the moment.  

So I'll try the gpe stuff out for now. I was dubious because of the Opie/Angstrom connection. I admit to being prejudiced, but I have found those distros/projects to be a painful waste of time for me.  

Don't bother to flame me, I think I was under prepared for the culture change!

Pidgin is in the titchy setup. I've never bothered with the likes of this, I suppose I shoulsd give it a try?

Sylpheed just works with no hassles at all!


Cheers!

[ZDevil]

Hi,
Wanted : X-specialist.
I installed u-boot and pdaXrom r198 after the titchy setup.
I can boot both pdaXrom and debian (debian by pressing "2" while booting).
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Could you show me how to do that, even though I am no X-specialist?  

[ZDevil]

More results of sound and key testing.

Sounds:
It WORKS.
I installed alsa and some mixer apps, such as aumix, in addition to zaurus-soundhack.deb .
In aumix there are three settings:
Pcm, Pcm2 and IGain, which are set to 100, 80 and 80 respectively.
I found the speaker volume was too low. Setting Pcm2 to 90+ makes a difference.
I've installed tons of games today (>1gb installed space!). So far all the games can play sound and music, but I can feel a little bit of delay.
xmms also plays sound through the headphone (but not the speaker), but the app runs so slowly (about 3 times slower than normal) that sound got seriously truncated.


Video performance:
I tried several games, such as Powermanga and Uqm. They play much slower in Debian than in pdaX.


Right-click:
Pressing the kanji key (to the right of Alt) and tap does give right click as desired, at least in the xfce4 panel.

Now I am beginning to feel some sluggishness in the system, especially the multimedia side. Perhaps it's because of the lack of floating point emulation and optimization of the ARM packages.


General feeling:
Then again most other non-multimedia packages run so well, perhaps even better than those in pdaX, such as Iceweasel and Evolution (the big big guys).

Multi-language input method, such as SCIM, UIM and GCIN, all work smoothly. I can enter CJK characters freely in most apps, including GTK and QT apps, and even in the terminal (using Nano, etc). IIRC they are all broken in the new versions of pdaX, and are not easy to fix and build.

I think I will continue to use Debian for now, because it fulfills my productivity needs without the hassles of building everything all on my own.  

[urkden]

Kernel an EABI are the big deal here.

I've exprienced a little with multimedia and experienced similar difficulties.

Maybe tweaking a bit the source kernel and recompiling helps enough to make the system beauty enough while waiting EABI debian to come.

Any news about which kernel source was used?