Debian (titchy) Vs. Debian Eabi ?

[ZDevil]

Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?

[koen]

Wow. Installing xmms-mad fixes it! Sound plays amazingly well through the speaker now!

Now you've proven that all the "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD was indeed FUD, I suspect you'll find that most of the "doesn't work in 2.6" stuff is merely PEBKAC.

Plz point out exactly where I say "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD.  Otherwise this is a rather anti-social aggressive accusation.

I didn't say *you* were spreading such FUD, but look at why people started trying debian/EABI this week. Are you denying that such FUD was spread on this forum?

[koen]

Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?

You're, again, missing userspace stuff from angstrom. Recurring theme, isn't it?

[ZDevil]

Wow. Installing xmms-mad fixes it! Sound plays amazingly well through the speaker now!

Now you've proven that all the "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD was indeed FUD, I suspect you'll find that most of the "doesn't work in 2.6" stuff is merely PEBKAC.

Plz point out exactly where I say "OMG SOUND IS BAD IN 2.6" FUD.  Otherwise this is a rather anti-social aggressive accusation.

I didn't say *you* were spreading such FUD, but look at why people started trying debian/EABI this week. Are you denying that such FUD was spread on this forum?

Because no one intends to spread the FUD. Your FUD conspiracy theory comes from your aggressiveness and the feeling too good about yourself.

[ZDevil]

Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?

You're, again, missing userspace stuff from angstrom. Recurring theme, isn't it?

For goodness sake, if you don't like to help users out in this forum, why do you still post here bashing non-hacker users? Does this make you feel better about your ego?

If you are such a helpful developer, why can't you point out where this is documented?  Nothing is found in your holy wiki or mailing list.

[koen]

Another thing that comes tricky. In alsamixer I can turn the speaker on and off, but when the speaker is on it is always on no matter whether I plug in the headset of not. I reread the posts in the pdaXrom forum which also discuss a similar issue. Any workaround?

You're, again, missing userspace stuff from angstrom. Recurring theme, isn't it?

For goodness sake, if you don't like to help users out in this forum, why do you still post here bashing non-hacker users? Does this make you feel better about your ego?

If you are such a helpful developer, why can't you point out where this is documented?  Nothing is found in your holy wiki or mailing list.

It 'just works' in angstrom, so no need to document it. FWIW, the answer is on the first page of hits when googling for 'zaurus headphone speaker'.

[ZDevil]

(cough)  Sorry, nothing useful in my google results.

[tux]

(cough)  Sorry, nothing useful in my google results.

 Ditto!

[ZDevil]

Thanks to 2or0 for the pointer.
What do i do to zaurusd (how can I google this and i am not using Angstrom?) apart from copying the content?

The failure to configure some packages is myteriously due to this error

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umount: /mnt/cf: not mounted
Plug in a CF card then run  apt-get install again will fix this.

This post is done with epiphany-gecko in Debian EABI.    

I have nothing against Angstrom. It works so great and so neatly. I would be happy to support the project, like  trying out new kernels and even donation.
Then again, making a great product by no means warrants any provocative attitude to common users and  contempt for their end-users' non-hackerness.

[koen]

Thanks to 2or0 for the pointer.
What do i do to zaurusd (how can I google this and i am not using Angstrom?) apart from copying the content?

The failure to configure some packages is myteriously due to this error

Code: [Select]

umount: /mnt/cf: not mounted
Plug in a CF card then run  apt-get install again will fix this.

This post is done with epiphany-gecko in Debian EABI.    

I have nothing against Angstrom. It works so great and so neatly. I would be happy to support the project, like  trying out new kernels and even donation.
Then again, making a great product by no means warrants any provocative attitude to common users and  contempt for their end-users' non-hackerness.

The problem I have with this forum is that *certain* people keep claiming that either 2.6 doesn't work, is crap, etc or that angstrom is broken, crap etc, without bothering to say what is broken or file a bugreport. Then you have the other group that refuses to send a simple mail to a mailinglist with their questions or problems and start posting how crap OE/OZ/angstrom is because they don't get any help in this forum. There are >30 angstrom developers suscribed to those mailinglists that want to help people, while zero of them want to give help here. You do the math.

[ZDevil]

I have nothing against you either, because I simply don't know you. I am talking about your mode of communication.
I have read the mailinglist sometimes. Most of them are about very technical issues even in the User list.
How can I ask for help if the dev has so much dislike of their users?
And to be honest, I rather not asking help from you because I don't want to be under somebody's superiority complex.
And there is very very slim documentation in your Angstrom homepage and wiki.
You are such an ardent poster in this forum and many many other mailing lists, so instead of bashing (in your eyes) rude, ignorant, anti-social users, why can't you provide some more straightforward and clear information right there?

Do think about WHY most Zaurus users don't ask you questions in your mailing list(s).

[ZDevil]

Plus: I have never used the word "crap" or "broken" to describe Angstrom itself, if you really want to pick it up on me then check my posts carefully.

Lack of user-friendly documentation is a fact.

Presence of broken packages is a fact.

But Angstrom is a good system, very well balanced between staying bleeding-edge and stability.

[koen]

Presence of broken packages is a fact.

So file bugs instead of saying 'Presence of broken packages is a fact' in some random forum.

[koen]

And there is very very slim documentation in your Angstrom homepage and wiki.

Right, wiki, which *you* can improve yourself, and according to rule #4, you are going to do that.

[ZDevil]

And there is very very slim documentation in your Angstrom homepage and wiki.

Right, wiki, which *you* can improve yourself, and according to rule #4, you are going to do that.

Well, I do need to think about that seriously. I will if I can. But the thing is I am not using the Angstrom system, but at most the kernel itself. I am just some nameless user running Debian.
But i suppose you can avoid some much conflict and misunderstanding by writing a few more lines in your wiki.