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post May 17 2005, 05:08 PM
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I don't do a tremendous amount of office apps on my Z.
siag is a small suite... started a few years ago and was made for weak/tiny desktops then. I keep whining about it neding to be compiled... maybe I should do it.

gpe and pdaX have managed to trim down X pretty efecctively. it is still bigger than qt, but much better than you might guess.
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post May 18 2005, 02:37 AM
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i was using dillo on an embedded system we were working on for my job, it far from good
as for firefox, it runs fine on Z/Xqt , the only thing is loading time, it takes about 2 minutes to load it, minimo starts much faster btw
i was thinking about prelinking stuff for big applications, but its a waste of memory
however, X SHOULD be there on the rom ...
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post May 18 2005, 02:54 AM
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Guylhem,

Regarding the issue of what can be useful, I thought perhaps it may be useful if I put together a rough list.

1- The palm desktop for me is useful, also it would mean if I had a Palm, I could easily move to the Z without having to replace everything. The standard apps that come with the Sharp ROM can already do that. That ability would continue to be important. I'm not concerned about license issues, because a license already came with my Sharp. I would guess that I could easily install this application if it wasn't included in the distribution. Which would also mean that things like "today" would not be useful unless it replaced one of the applications. The key there would be "is it better, more useful, more feature packed, more compatible, etc".

2- Sharp ROM compatibility is great. It means that there is a huge library of applications that I can easily use. It's also why I keep finding myself returning back to the Sharp ROM. Quite a lot of software written for the 5500 work nicely with it. I will say that the idea of a "fast library" is very attractive in that it increases the useability and "adds on" a feature. Again, I'm not too concerned on the license issue as my 6000L already has a license (at least that's my impression).

3- a few applications on the Sharp ROM are a little obsolete. Rather than "replacing" them with another application, perhaps the idea of just "removing" them would be a good choice. If I decided that I wanted to keep that application, I wouldn't mind just installing it later on my own. Of course that best thing is if I could install it on my SD rather than my main memory. That gives me a choice, wihtout having unneeded applications. I guess a "barebones" thing would be attractive.

4- Libraries are always a pain. Knowing which one I need + which one works best is something that isn't the easiest. This is where your expertise I think is great. You've gone through all that and have tried to optimize it as much as possible. Multimedia is one area that would be useful. Specific instructions as to installing Kino and mplayer as well as the versions would be cool. I could probably live with it already installed. The only caveat is it seems that it's an evolving product. If there are specific tweaks you've done that are humbug, that would be a good reason to already include it.

5- Game emulators such as snes9x pose a small issue with things like keyboard mapping (instead of having to deal with a reverse keyboard). I'm not sure everyone wants to play games, but an easy process for this would be great.

6- GPS I think is a hot issue. Unfortunately things like gpsdrive doesn't work. I tried kstars on the OZ and it's a bit slow on the 5500. It is rather neat though, and is quite feature packed. I think things like this that were repacked into a fashion that would make it easy to install would be a nice touch. I think this kind of an issue is why people have been trying to get things like newer versions of opera going, etc. I suspect that Sharp ROM compatibility is going to remain a fairly useful issue for a while. This is where having a certain version of Opera already preinstalled is a struggle. On one hand, it does work. On the other hand, we're a little bit stuck. It seems wasteful to have to install another version if there's already a version installed.

7- Certain utilities that you popped in are indeed useful. The console for instance, is much more useful than the one that the Sharp ROM has. Those are the kinds of things that are a pleasant surprise. I think the idea of having a fast library is probably the most compelling idea. It allows things like games to run at decent speeds.

Comment: I think where I'm going is I really don't mind being stuck in the Sharp ROM world, because things do work for the most part. Your use of the fast libraries is a compelling reason to alter that perception --- provided I don't lose the current functionality I already enjoy with the Sharp ROM. I don't mind "new features" as long as I dont' lose much of the "old features".

Hope this rambling is useful ...
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post May 18 2005, 04:20 AM
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Don't be afraid to voice your thoughts - it's quite usefull.

I share your opinions- I'm an avid user of palm desktop (jpilot more exactly) and good PIM is very important to me. I'm also very concerned by compatibility and IMHO breaking it at the moment is only worth for several applications such as mplayer/snes9x, which could be statically compiled in softfloat anyways!

Basically, I want something polished and doing a good job.

Regarding GPS or specialised hardware, I can't really help because I don't have that hardware. If you want me to make your GPS work, get me a bluetooth GPS [I spend already too much on toys I don't need]- any model that does NMEA (ie work with the Zaurus) will be fine :-)

We need mostly 1. maps 2. software - I've got several ideas (using the nasa "world wind" database for ex to use satellite bitmaps instead of vectorial maps) but I can't work on such feature right now - because I can hardly emulate how a real GPS will work.

My current priority is releasing a 1.0rc1 soon with a couple of softfloat binaries and fixed fonts (2 Mb of nice fonts - for opie-reader). I will then certainly work on integrating X windows apps since someone offered to forward me the microdrive. I can schedule the GPS next. I've several days off in the following weeks so it's totally possible.
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post May 18 2005, 05:24 AM
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>fixed fonts
unicode i hope? i know for you latin-1 is enough :-)
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post May 18 2005, 05:31 AM
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You can get nice set of fonts from OE - dejavu fonts are good for most Europe users.
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post May 18 2005, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(guylhem @ May 18 2005, 02:20 AM)
Regarding GPS or specialised hardware ...

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Not a problem. We don't have gpsdrive now, so it's not like I'm losing something. zRoadmap does work on the Z now, and it's not bad, but it still needs more polish, like voice prompts, showing street names, etc.

QUOTE(guylhem @ May 18 2005, 02:20 AM)
fixed fonts (2 Mb of nice fonts - for opie-reader). I will then certainly work on

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Regarding fonts ... having a ton of fonts for me isn't a super priority, but I do use a few efonts - for the asian dictionaries. Currently of them all, efont_240_50_t10.qpf is probably the most useful, as it presents the chinese language in a larger display for others to see (via zbedic). I do have the 12 and 16 point fonts also installed in the even I need something smaller. I haven't installed one yet for the european languages, but I do plan to do so in the future. In all honesty, installing it myself isn't a big deal, as just some simple symlinking to my SD card is all that's needed for it to work. I wonder if having too many fonts is like how on windows, where the more fonts you have, the slower the system becomes? I have no idea on this.

That brings me to an entirely different topic ... updates.

I think for a basic installation, the nand restore method is fine. However, at some point, having the ability to update needed parts of the system via small updates (like how cvs works) is something highly desireable. That would relieve the concerns of those not wanting to use up the the amount of limited times they can do nand stuff. More importantly I'm thinking, is the relief it would do in terms of your bandwidth. The OZ update stuff isn't bad, except they've been experiencing a few issues regarding the gui portion of it. The command line part of it is ok from what I understand (much of it is the messages that you don't see during the gui update process --- you don't know the why of it if it's stuck or not). The libqte2 part is probably one of the largest of the files that takes the longest to update.
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post May 18 2005, 12:04 PM
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dejavu fonts ? Didn't know about them - latin1 was fine for me as you suggested :-)

I'll try to get them and use them.

Guylhem
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post May 18 2005, 12:40 PM
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Regarding GPS or specialised hardware, I can't really help because I don't have that hardware. If you want me to make your GPS work, get me a bluetooth GPS [I spend already too much on toys I don't need]- any model that does NMEA (ie work with the Zaurus) will be fine :-)


You can get apps for a desktop machine (I was lookint at WinXP, but I'm sure the same exists for Linux) which will spit out pretend NMEA data down a serial link, or probably over an ethernet connection (a la gpsd) so you could probably try this way without any hardware. If you're interested I'll see if I can dig up the names of the apps I saw.


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post May 18 2005, 06:48 PM
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This thread looks interesting

http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...t=0&#entry80451
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post May 19 2005, 05:26 AM
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Just FYI that was under pdaXrom.

QUOTE(ken @ May 19 2005, 02:48 AM)
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post May 20 2005, 08:41 AM
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btw, qt's irda apps are not working...
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post May 25 2005, 04:21 AM
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the dial-up and other non-wlan stuff shows up in the connect dialog after i removed guylhem dial-up/bluetooth connections from network settings
tested ppp/irda/nokia 6100, works fine
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