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omro
post Jun 17 2005, 02:04 AM
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From this thread, it seems that the majority of people are looking for a simple interface. I don't see why you (working with Roy and maybe others) can't just build a new slimmer interface for the ELSI? The database and structure that Roy built is rock solid.


Would it be possible for people to get hold of a copy of the database? Would this not allow the interested developers to experiment with the existing data?

My thoughts...

the data is there, would be better to use it than start again.

the site is there, the name is known, rather than start again upgrade the site that already exists.

if people want to start again from scratch with the UI and search, that doesn't mean that underlying data needs to change in anyway.
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post Jun 17 2005, 08:42 PM
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would like to add a suggestion for the improved site smile.gif

a versiontracker like interface with screenshots, links to developers site, user comments and sub sections for each hardware and rom
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allanjard
post Jun 18 2005, 12:37 AM
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Hi all,

Sorry - I should have made myself clear earlier on. I would like to use the database that we already have, as repeating all of that work is most likely a waste of time. Its possible that I'll need to make a few changes to the structure etc of the database for any new features - but we'll see smile.gif

Keep the ideas coming...

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ScottYelich
post Jun 18 2005, 06:42 AM
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Has this been covered -- but the biggest issue I had with killefiz was that the files
weren't local. I'm not sure if there was some sort of legal / ownership issues with keeping local version -- but it was quite annoying how many links were dead... and thus how much software was lost and perhaps no longer available to the community.

I think I will like just about anything -- as long as the software is kept local to that system.

Scott
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ken
post Jun 18 2005, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(ScottYelich @ Jun 18 2005, 04:42 AM)
Has this been covered -- but the biggest issue I had with killefiz was that the files
weren't local.  I'm not sure if there was some sort of legal / ownership issues with keeping local version -- but it was quite annoying how many links were dead... and thus how much software was lost and perhaps no longer available to the community.


I can't update killefiz, but I've been doing updates on elsix, slowly finding files and such. Take a look there and it's possible it may be there.
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post Jun 18 2005, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(ScottYelich @ Jun 18 2005, 06:42 AM)
Has this been covered -- but the biggest issue I had with killefiz was that the files
weren't local.  I'm not sure if there was some sort of legal / ownership issues with keeping local version -- but it was quite annoying how many links were dead... and thus how much software was lost and perhaps no longer available to the community.

I think I will like just about anything -- as long as the software is kept local to that system.

Scott
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Sven (killefiz owner) simply didn't want the hassle of hosting the files locally (bandwidth, space, etc). This was one of the biggest issues that people had with killefiz that we resolved with ELSI. The ELSI is NOT hosting on any home computer... it's hosted at ibilio.org (all hail ibiblio!). We basically have unlimited bandwidth (on a serious backbone) and disk space.

Roy (dz) and I will be working with allanjard to come up with a great solution for the community. We'll likely turn it into a community project where anyone can contribute (feedback, coding, testing, whatever).

I personally don't think just because killefiz has been google indexed so much that we should stick with killfiz. Though I still don't know why sven hasn't done a url re-direct from killefiz to ELSI.
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post Jun 18 2005, 10:25 AM
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Has Sven of Killefiz fallen out with the Zaurus community?
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post Jun 18 2005, 01:31 PM
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It occurs to me that the OESF forums could be used as a simple software index.

Create a top level forum category called downloads. Under it, a the various categories for software types (email, fun, security, web, editor, development). Then the specific packages live under there.

Impose a specific template for adding a software package. When the package gets updated, add a new posting to the forum.

It's a bit hackery, but it'd work.

The clever part of it all is making the search work.

However, all that said, I like ELSIX. Yes, you've got to think a little bit when finding software, but, damnit, we're Zaurus users and should have a few braincells. I posted a package to it, and it wasn't too hard (except that I didn't know which CPU to select) really. The only thing that needs sorting out is making the search a bit more sophisticated, and the page layout a quick tidy-up.

Paul
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post Jun 20 2005, 11:17 AM
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zaurusoft.com is a site I just found, hadn't found before...
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post Jun 20 2005, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(omro @ Jun 20 2005, 11:17 AM)
zaurusoft.com is a site I just found, hadn't found before...
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That honestly looks a lot better/more accessible than Elsix.
What pains me is that we're an embedded software community, and both the forums and the software index are badly accessible to mobile browsers (the Lo-fi version of the forum is also low-functionality sad.gif )
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post Jun 20 2005, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(ken @ Jun 18 2005, 11:34 AM)
QUOTE(ScottYelich @ Jun 18 2005, 04:42 AM)

Has this been covered -- but the biggest issue I had with killefiz was that the files
weren't local.  I'm not sure if there was some sort of legal / ownership issues with keeping local version -- but it was quite annoying how many links were dead... and thus how much software was lost and perhaps no longer available to the community.


I can't update killefiz, but I've been doing updates on elsix, slowly finding files and such. Take a look there and it's possible it may be there.
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I tried elsix once or twice, but all I ever got was a click link to a page to click link to a page.... mostly empty dead ends. I haven't used it since... has it changed?

Scott

EDIT -- just went and checked... checked out mplayer from front page, clicked on download latest... checked all the roms -- all pages were without the ipk to download. Am I doing something wrong? Is there anyway to filter on just pdaXrom and/or any way to just see which files are actually there? :->
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post Jun 25 2005, 06:42 AM
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In answering another post, it struck me that a known compatibility with the existing roms would be a useful feature of any software site, that would allow people to know what apps run on what.
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post Jun 25 2005, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(omro @ Jun 18 2005, 10:25 AM)
Has Sven of Killefiz fallen out with the Zaurus community?

Killefiz no longer uses a Zaurus. He replaced it with a laptop.
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post Jun 25 2005, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(Mickeyl @ Jun 25 2005, 09:05 AM)
QUOTE(omro @ Jun 18 2005, 10:25 AM)
Has Sven of Killefiz fallen out with the Zaurus community?

Killefiz no longer uses a Zaurus. He replaced it with a laptop.
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I'm assuming then that he uses the majority of the site for other things, could he not be asked to simply redirect the url for the zaurus software part of his site to the prefered Zaurus software site, so that even if the search engines are still saying his site is the number 1 for Zaurus software, the redirect throws them to the elsix site?
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post Jun 25 2005, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(omro @ Jun 25 2005, 07:14 AM)
I'm assuming then that he uses the majority of the site for other things, could he not be asked to simply redirect the url for the zaurus software part of his site to the prefered Zaurus software site, so that even if the search engines are still saying his site is the number 1 for Zaurus software, the redirect throws them to the elsix site?


He pretty much earned the right to have it high up in the search engines imo. Redirecting traffic isn't something he "has" to do. If he does it, cool, if he doesn't, then that's cool too.

I'm just hoping one day he'll decide to get back into it.
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