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> Htc Universal Vs. Zaurus C3100, edited again- The Linux PDA comparison
danboid
post Jun 26 2006, 02:20 AM
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It sounds as if the uni port of Linux is coming on now, but

* Is charging, suspend and resume working under uni Linux yet?

* Can I use the phone under Linux?

I have a friend with a uni who can't wait to install Linux on it but those have been the main things stopping his conversion. Are things different now I wonder?
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post Jun 26 2006, 05:15 AM
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Suspend/resume (kind of) works, no charging or power management yet.

They'll eventually get there, but it is _very_ hard. It's not possible to give any estimates at this point of time. We Zaurus guys are very lucky -- although the embedix code is of very low quality, at least we _have_ a bit of code.
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post Jun 26 2006, 05:43 AM
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QUOTE(Mickeyl @ Jun 26 2006, 02:15 PM)
Suspend/resume (kind of) works, no charging or power management yet.

They'll eventually get there, but it is _very_ hard. It's not possible to give any estimates at this point of time. We Zaurus guys are very lucky -- although the embedix code is of very low quality, at least we _have_ a bit of code.
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they do have a few things going for them... they can boot WinCE and run diagnostics tools, and some of the peripherals have appeared in devices such as Motorola's where code is available. One of the biggest issues is a custom chip which is undocumented, and it takes a lot of effort to work out what it does!

..but the built-in bluetooth and wifi DO work.

my fear is that, as has happened before, is that by the time it's getting close to complete, HTC will change the design and set it all back 6 months. whilst people moan about about Sharp's evolutionary process for the Z, at least it's fairly stable; only the 6000's video chip has remained somewhat of a mystery!
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post Jun 26 2006, 07:50 AM
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Wifi and bluetooth work? Great news!

No GP®S?

What is the best GPE/X app for mobile telephony i.e. what will uniLinux users use to make calls?
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post Jun 26 2006, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(danboid @ Jun 26 2006, 04:50 PM)
Wifi and bluetooth work? Great news!

No GP®S?

What is the best GPE/X app for mobile telephony i.e. what will uniLinux users use to make calls?
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they're still working on the phone module; one of the cameras should work soon since it's a known quantity.

they've got rfcomm over bluetooth so GPS working; not got bluetooth audio working properly; got BT mouse/keyboard working as well.

the key is that the people working on it are very dedicated and almost certainly sufficiently dedicated to get it all working... won't be long now before there'll be no point in buying a Zaurus. Maybe Anton will get interested and port Cacko, which would swing it for me!
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post Jun 26 2006, 08:19 AM
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heh, gpRs.

No, the phone interface isn't known yet. One of those HTC jobs that initializing is hell.

As far as making/recieving calls. . . There's a program called "Gommunicator" for GPE that I used once while experimenting with GPE on cortana. It's used on the Blue Angel.

http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Gomunicator
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post Jun 26 2006, 09:40 AM
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What is the transfer rate to/from SD card on a uni? Same question for the cxx00 (I'd presume its the same)? I've seen SD cards advertised as being 150x, which is about 22MB/s? Can either (or both) machine use those cards at full speed?

Does the uni have USB2 hi-speed host capability i.e could I plug an externally-powered USB2 DVD-RW drive into it?? Obviously this would be no use if I'm only getting 1MB/s or less to/from the SD card.
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post Aug 24 2006, 04:12 PM
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As standard there is no OTG on the Uni (I think: Not tested it) Since at least one internal USB host port is hooked up to the Qualcomm Phone Processor.

Out of the two main Dev's one's on holiday, and the other is PCless. So no Uni code updates for a while now.

A major problem is that the 128MB DiskonChip has no linux driver at ALL, so there is no way to actually install linux, it has to be booted from SD like a LiveCD. Which is all well and good till you want to copy a file from your desktop.
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post Aug 26 2006, 06:40 AM
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The disk on chip driver shouldnt take too long to whip up once someone gets to it, there are enough disk on chip drivers in the linux source already

SD should be the same, USB should be the same (2 host internal, one client/OTG)

it is OTG capable but there is no hardware for it so no OTG. its simmilar to the x30 i am working on, it might be posible to hack together an otg transreciver but its going to be ugly

oh and its the anoying USB 2.0: Full speed ie 12mbps sad.gif
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post Aug 26 2006, 12:10 PM
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How many PDA's do you HAVE? XD

I'm guessing it's one of the earlier things the kernel guy will fix when he gets back from holiday. . . I mean, it's fairly simple, if you're correct, (Although I have no doubt that you are) and it's a big step towards decent linux compatability, because once you can install it, It just looks better to other potential devs. XD Cameras, look like later things to do, because they have Kernel 2.4 and non-existant drivers at the moment, and the Phone and APM are kinda more important.
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post Aug 30 2006, 05:32 AM
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only the c3000 and the x30 but i keep up to date on most kernel development for arm and embedded platforms, call it a hobby wink.gif

i do hawever "look after" a wide range of PDAs for people, and basically kept them up to date and nice and fast as well as recomend software to meet thier needs (under windows CE)

but when it comes down to it most of the pdas are very simle variations of the same hardware, know one back to frount and you know them all
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post Aug 31 2006, 04:32 AM
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Aye, I mean the Uni and the CK's. . . The underlying hardware is the same. . PXA270, 64MB ram, 128MB Flash, 640x480 Touchscreen (Different types, slightly, but lets not nitpick) A keyboard, an SD slot, and some buttons. After that it's just optimisation for the different tasks. Andding Cameras, Phones, Microdrives, CF slots. . .

But why did the WM5 device have to have the best keyboard? :cry:
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post Sep 1 2006, 05:56 AM
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the only diffrence is the ASIC they ship with and if the SD card is connected to the ASIC or the processor

thats the hard part as its undocumented
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post Nov 18 2006, 02:37 AM
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Sorry to dig up an old thread, but what is the latest status of Linux on the HTC universal, etc???
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post Nov 18 2006, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE(futaris @ Nov 18 2006, 04:37 AM)
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but what is the latest status of Linux on the HTC universal, etc???
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http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?p=470
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