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maximusz
post Sep 9 2007, 07:16 PM
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Hello,
I just purchased a Z on Ebay (SL-C1000) and am looking to get some opinions before it gets here.
I would like to know what is the best ROM out there for 2007. Many of the other posts I have found were from 2005 and complain about certain bugs that the community was actively trying to resolve.

I realize that there are no perfect roms, but if you can list the rom you currently use and why you prefer it over another it would help out tremendously.

Roms I know of:
Cacko
Ångström
pdaXrom

Ubuntu mobile?

Thanks! laugh.gif

P.S - I dont want to sound like a hypocrite based on my other postings - I sold my Z (750) a few years ago and have been trying to find an alternative ever since. I finally gave up and just purchased the SL-C1000 yesterday. If the HTC Omni ever gets released I might have to rethink this again. For now - LONG LIVE THE Z!!!
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post Sep 9 2007, 08:17 PM
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My current favorite is pdaxii13.
It is stable, has a ton of usable software, excellent hardware support, good multimedia capabilities.

There are a few things l that are imperfect:
Apparently the 2.6 kernel systems are faster (though not at video playback)
Some newer stuff, like QT4, fuse/sshfs, or firefox2, isn't working.

Pdax current will hopefully fix those things, but at the moment the "plug'n'play" abilities of pdaxii13 seem unmatched (though the PIM apps don't load as speedily as they do on sharprom)
other options are:
gentoo -some things not yet working, but has current kernel and libraries, and is actively developed
Debian-similar to gentoo, I think
openbsd- a few pieces of hardware (like sd write) not yet working
Angstrom--seems to be under development, and has always felt to me like a developer's system, though I have hopes that openmoko will bring out a more user-centric aspect
pdaX current--also a 2.6based system for devs, just now, imho

Cacko/sharprom you are probably familiar with.

I haven't heard of an Ubuntu mobile on the Z.

Hopefully people familiar with other systems will chime in, I've been on pdaxii13 for a while, and likely my estimates of other systems are flawed
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:17 AM
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i think for now pdaxii13 is the only complete working distro : just install and play smile.gif
however it has great challengers : angstrom & openbsd, which are not far from being the ultimate modern distros.

you'll find a little wiki there about Zaurus distros :
http://matrixmen.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=ZaurusDistros

actually it depends on what you're looking for on your zaurus : a complete pda-like distro or a dev based distro
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:54 AM
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Everybody's going to say the ROM they're using is the best, and others will disagree. I say pdaXrom latest because:

-It runs quickly
-It has a lot of software available
-It is fairly bug-free after a few tweaks and Meanie's service pack
-It's stable
-It's tweakable

Not to mention the fact that all of my wonderful builds are done for pdaXrom latest (with a few exceptions). smile.gif

The only downside IMO is that you need to install uBoot, which I gather can be a PITA for a newbie. I personally have never had issues (just follow the instructions to the letter).
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post Sep 10 2007, 06:23 AM
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Somebody had to chip in for Cacko ...

Well, not to be playing sides - but objectively if you only need to have a stable PDA software (i.e PIM, Browser, music/video player etc) then Cacko comes out as a very good ROM. But again - its best as a PDA only ROM, unlike the others.

And did I say - very stable.
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post Sep 10 2007, 12:33 PM
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I vote for cacko too. I tried pdaxii13 and it was not for me : i mainly use the Z as a PDA : PIM, Games (emulator), watch movies and surf the web. For this kind of use, it seems that cacko is the one. Suspend/resume work very well, wifi connection/ BT connection works well.

it really depends on what you need and what you want to do with your Z. If you want something like a little (slow?) laptop choose pdaxrom (real email client, office soft,..), a PDA : cacko.

note that the PSX emulator is only for pdaxrom ... :-))
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post Sep 10 2007, 12:47 PM
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sharp - just to get a taste of what the Z can do, no community except (maybe in Japan)?

cacko - sharp on steroids - not the newest, not the "best" for any one thing, but its stable, a bit old fashioned, but does most things out of the box, easiest for beginners to get to grips with; in a way it was too finished when 1.23 came out, giving Anton Mas a chance to rest for too long, and the cacko community has stagnated.

pdaXrom - fairly fresh, lots of (frantic) activity, lots of packages, lots of choice, struggling to try and be all things to all people especially regarding kernel choice and maintaining compatibility. Good community, with lots of active participants.

OpenZaurus - very nearly "finished" as a solid underlying platform for GPE or Opie, came to an end when Angstrom was ready to go beta. The whole Opie/OpieII/Qt divisiveness also hampered it.

Angstrom - the child of OpenZaurus, it seems a really solid clean platform, quite a lot like Debian (so why we need another Debian is beyond me), covers many devices perhaps too many for its developers to ensure everything works so quite reliant on users to understand how to test software + write decent bug reports and write documentation. Is quite useable by zaurus beginners who've used linux a bit if you're willing to learn.

OpenBSD - interesting.
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QUOTE(bolbit @ Sep 10 2007, 09:33 PM)
note that the PSX emulator is only for pdaxrom ... :-))
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there was a Cacko release, but I think they're only doing pdaXrom releases for now.
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post Sep 10 2007, 05:33 PM
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Thanks for everyones help. Just a bit of clarification please

PdaXii13 - pdaXii13 is a bug fixed and customised version of pdaXrom beta3 ?

how does this differ in speed/performace/program availability compared to

PdaXrom with Meanie's great SP8 fixes?

Will all ipk packages work on all different Roms? ( Cacko, PdaXii13, PdaXrom, Angstrom) or are there seperate repositories for them?

Which rom version has the most programs currently?

Thanks in advance biggrin.gif
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post Sep 10 2007, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(maximusz @ Sep 11 2007, 11:33 AM)
Thanks for everyones help. Just a bit of clarification please

PdaXii13 - pdaXii13 is a bug fixed and customised version of pdaXrom beta3 ?

how does this differ in speed/performace/program availability compared to

PdaXrom with Meanie's great SP8 fixes?

Will all ipk packages work on all different Roms? ( Cacko, PdaXii13, PdaXrom, Angstrom) or are there seperate repositories for them?

Which rom version has the most programs currently?

Thanks in advance biggrin.gif
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pdaXii13 is based on the 2.4 kernel wheras pdaXrom Latest is based on the 2.6 kernel. In general, 2.6 kernel is slightly faster than 2.4 kernel, but video performance in the 2.4 kernel is still far superior than 2.6 kernel, so when you say faster, what do you want to be faster, the apps loading a few seconds faster or your videos playing fullscreen at a watchable framerate...

I made both, pdaXii13 and the SP8 fixes, but I believe that pdaXii13 is currently still better in supporting all the Z hardware and usability wise. This will of course change in time when pdaXrom 2.0 comes out...

ipk packages will only work for the distros they were made for in most cases. they will work in derivatives of those distros, ie Sharp ROM and Cacko packages can be interchanged as well as pdaXrom beta3 (pdaXrom Classic) and pdaXii13. Packages for Angstrom will definately not work in Cacko or pdaXrom or vice versa...

The number of programs available for each distro varies. There are lots of pda like programs for Cacko/Sharp ROM and most of the old programs since the days of the 5500 still work in Sharp/Cacko.
Angstrom has a huge repository of programs but not all of them actually work so be careful. The existence of a package does not mean it works. I you are lucky you might be able to beg the Angstrom developers to rebuild the package and hopefully it might work. pdaXrom and derivatives like pdaXii13 have a lot of the popular programs and also many games. All the essential programs work.
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post Sep 10 2007, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(maximusz @ Sep 10 2007, 05:33 PM)
Thanks for everyones help. Just a bit of clarification please

PdaXii13 - pdaXii13 is a bug fixed and customised version of pdaXrom beta3 ?

how does this differ in speed/performace/program availability compared to

PdaXrom with Meanie's great SP8 fixes?

Will all ipk packages work on all different Roms? ( Cacko, PdaXii13, PdaXrom, Angstrom) or are there seperate repositories for them?

Which rom version has the most programs currently?

Thanks in advance biggrin.gif
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Depends on what you need the speed for. pdaxii13 has better video (and possibly game) playback, pdaxrom current seems (allegedly, I don't use it yet) to execute faster

Most pdaxrom ipks will work with most flavors of pdaxrom--be careful though, some will only run on "Current" or the upcoming pdaxii13v2 5.5--if in doubt, ask--and check what version your repositories are made for

Ipks only work per distro:

sharp/cacko

pdax

Angstrom

Since we are on the topic, maybe cap'n'fish will tell us what isn't woking in pdaxrom current atm?
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post Sep 10 2007, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Sep 10 2007, 03:17 AM)
i think for now pdaxii13 is the only complete working distro : just install and play smile.gif
however it has great challengers : angstrom & openbsd, which are not far from being the ultimate modern distros.

you'll find a little wiki there about Zaurus distros :
http://matrixmen.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=ZaurusDistros

actually it depends on what you're looking for on your zaurus : a complete pda-like distro or a dev based distro
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Nice wiki, In think you have the older gentoo, though? That sounded more like what I undrstood the opensystemas version to be doing, not the current version out of Eastern Europe
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post Sep 10 2007, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ Sep 11 2007, 04:12 AM)
QUOTE(jpmatrix @ Sep 10 2007, 03:17 AM)
i think for now pdaxii13 is the only complete working distro : just install and play smile.gif
however it has great challengers : angstrom & openbsd, which are not far from being the ultimate modern distros.

you'll find a little wiki there about Zaurus distros :
http://matrixmen.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=ZaurusDistros

actually it depends on what you're looking for on your zaurus : a complete pda-like distro or a dev based distro
*

Nice wiki, In think you have the older gentoo, though? That sounded more like what I undrstood the opensystemas version to be doing, not the current version out of Eastern Europe
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the wiki has to be completed though wink.gif
if you find something wrong or not updated, feel free to double-click and update; that's the aim of a wiki smile.gif no login or registration is required.
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post Sep 12 2007, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(adf @ Sep 10 2007, 08:58 PM)
QUOTE(maximusz @ Sep 10 2007, 05:33 PM)
Thanks for everyones help. Just a bit of clarification please

PdaXii13 - pdaXii13 is a bug fixed and customised version of pdaXrom beta3 ?

how does this differ in speed/performace/program availability compared to

PdaXrom with Meanie's great SP8 fixes?

Will all ipk packages work on all different Roms? ( Cacko, PdaXii13, PdaXrom, Angstrom) or are there seperate repositories for them?

Which rom version has the most programs currently?

Thanks in advance biggrin.gif
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Depends on what you need the speed for. pdaxii13 has better video (and possibly game) playback, pdaxrom current seems (allegedly, I don't use it yet) to execute faster

Most pdaxrom ipks will work with most flavors of pdaxrom--be careful though, some will only run on "Current" or the upcoming pdaxii13v2 5.5--if in doubt, ask--and check what version your repositories are made for

Ipks only work per distro:

sharp/cacko

pdax

Angstrom

Since we are on the topic, maybe cap'n'fish will tell us what isn't woking in pdaxrom current atm?
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My understanding is that pdaX apps will work on every version of pdaX unless a lib has been updated. So some of my builds, like Nano, should run on betas 1-3 and i13. I think it's apps that use either GTK or glibc, one or the other or some such lib, won't work cross-version, as it has been updated in the newer releases.

Now, I'll do my best to summarize what's not working (I'll likely miss stuff and add it later or just miss it because I take it for granted that it's not there) in pdaX:

-USB mouse scroll wheel*
-Suspend/resume on r197 (from my tests, at any rate)
-Full shutdowns (it just reboots)
-NAND backups/restores*
-Lan&Wi-Fi applet
-USB client mode/disk mode
-BVDD
-Inputconfig.py (even with sp8, I had to manually fix the keycodes in it)
-non-root users (didn't work immediately, requires a bit of work)
-Overclocking on Cxx0 (OK on Cxx00)
-On C3x00, internal HD mounting can be odd if there's a CF card in the slot*
-CLI oddness (outside of X) on Cxx0 (from my tests)
-External speaker (?)
-screen rotation (so far as I have tested)

*apparently will be fixed in the 2.0.0 release/I think it's going to be fixed in the 2.0.0 release

Feel free to add to the list, as I feel like I may have missed some fairly large things. (devs, sorry if I missed tons of stuff/made you look like you made too many bugs/listed bugs that are already fixed)
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post Sep 19 2007, 11:24 PM
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No intention to flame. But I can't help but giving my 2 cents here.

pdaXrom rocks, but ...
It is not a normal way to maintain a healthy distro by getting the devs involved in all the jobs: building+patching the kernel & system, packaging, writing guides, answering questions, project management, etc.
Again patching and doing cottage-industry-style of packaging can be a very exhausting and frustrating job.
pdaXii is indeed a wonderful project. I'd say it is perhaps the greatest accomplishment and the most refined homemade distro for Z. But almost all the work is done and maintained by Meanie himself. I am NOT saying that Meanie is not the man. If he is not I really don't know who is.
But still there are some inherent limitations: it must be a very dedicated mission if one is determined to build the system, maintain the packages/feeds and write documentation all on his own, while keeping the whole thing constantly up-to-date. In a word, it's a question of "sustainable development".
After all pdaX is a very good hacker's project, but what it needs so badly are smooth coordination, team work, more regular release plan (w/o so many long or short intermittence stranding many loyal users' hopes) and *standard* distro management, especially because of the comparatively large user base in the Z community and the developers are aiming so high.
pdaXrom works, even for r198, but it demands for a lot of concentration and effort, and considerable *nix knowledge and hacking skills.
The versioning also looks a bit daunting: beta1, beta3, beta4, rXYZ, pdaXii, pdaXiiv2 ... and what have you laugh.gif

Angstrom really "looks good", but ...
many things simply do not work. The huge number of packages (around 10k of them) is just an illusion, because: 1) most package are split into tons of subpackages; 2) many useful packages are built but broken. Plus the devs keep forcing users to use its bugtracker, which is a mental blow to ordinary users, without much response to user's request, detailed documentation, how-tos and tutorials. Not everyone in the world buys the how-to-ask-the-smart-question philosophy, especially when it comes to new/inexperienced *nix users (who far outnumber the seasoned hackers). Having everyone read everything right from the start is a big waste of time and resource and so is a very counterproductive holy quest. So even though Angstrom has very good potentials, the OE mindset tends to confine it to be a merely developer's system.

OpenBSD would be the rising star, thanks to its real *standard* status: the completeness of the system (perfect toolchain being part of the system itself), the ports system and the top class documentation system beat all homemade distros hands down, but ...
what leaves to be desired are: 1) Speed (seems not in Theo's priority); 2) SD write (it is a MUST!); 3) Bluetooth; 4) A proper package repository for Z (which some ppl including me have been trying to do over the last few months)
With all these three matters fixed, OpenBSD and Debian will go neck to neck in the distro race.

Debian (titchy linux) ... it blows my mind! Beside OpenBSD it is another authentic distro experience on Z. It feels just as solid as Debian on desktop, but does not compromise much in performance (iceweasel can run in 30 seconds!). The holy grails of standard package repositories and documentation can also be found in this distro. Remember Debian is a great saviour to many poor little souls including the good old HPCs such as the Jornada. So why not Z (who is also getting a bit "old" now)?
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