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> WARNING! Don't buy SD Audio Players!!
TonyOlsen
post Jun 8 2004, 06:56 AM
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See:

http://www.sdcard.com/b2b/TextPage.asp?Page=8

Specifically, note the following diagram:



SD Cards are evil... but they can still be used for good in some devices. "SD Audio Players" aren't one of those devices.

Fight the new standard! Don't buy SD Audio Players or anything else that supports the copyright protection on SD cards!

By the way, does the Zaurus enforce this copyright protection on the SD cards? Can you play, copy, or move audio from a SD card on the Zaurus? If so, then the SD is "good" in the Zaurus...

...but beware of the evil hardware!! You have been warned. :twisted:
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Joshp
post Jun 8 2004, 07:12 AM
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What does this all mean?

JP
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zautrix
post Jun 8 2004, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE
What does this all mean?

JP


I think, it does mean, that TonyOlsen does not completely understand the copyright protection of SD cards...

z.
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TonyOlsen
post Jun 8 2004, 07:31 AM
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Highly probable! smile.gif

Enlighten me! smile.gif
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gizard
post Jun 8 2004, 07:37 AM
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THis is the same for Sony digital players - well the one I bought for the GF anyway and it just had internal storage.
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Cresho
post Jun 8 2004, 08:37 AM
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yes yes

DRM

the music suck butts of america wants to lock your pc by telling everybody its for your best interest.

so do a search on DRM and learn also about


windows media player 10 which does it very well to give you DRM
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TonyOlsen
post Jun 8 2004, 09:06 AM
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So.... SD Audio Players are bad... yes? (because of DRM = Digital Rights Management). MMC Audio Players are good.
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Cresho
post Jun 8 2004, 09:17 AM
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nana...compact flash is good.

im hoping to get a c860 with 4gb compact flash
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post Jun 8 2004, 09:37 AM
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im hoping to get a c860 with 4gb compact flash


Sweet! smile.gif
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x86Daddy
post Jun 8 2004, 10:26 AM
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I think it depends entirely on method of use... if you have an SD reader/writer on your PC, and an audio device or camera that uses SD, you can copy files back and forth as if you were using a floppy. If you have some goofy program that touches the SD drive to set nefarious bits, or you buy software that comes on an SD card with nefarious bits already set, then yes, you will have problems once it latches onto a specific reading device like a PC.
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TonyOlsen
post Jun 8 2004, 10:33 AM
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So... DRM is hardware/software enforced... but it isn't enforced at the SD card itself. The SD Audio Player enforces it at the hardware level and Miscrosoft Windows Media Player enforces it at the software level.

If I download audio to my SD Audio Player, remove the SD card, and insert it into my PC, will Windows be able to copy those files?

hm... actually I guess it may depend on which version of Windows you are using. I'd imagine that Windows 98SE doesn't care, but Windows XP may make these files hidden and innaccessable.

Does Linux enforce DRM?
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post Jun 8 2004, 10:43 AM
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okay..

drm is software enforced and the music movie industry is lobbying to add it to hardware as well.

as far as i can tell sd cards are not affected at the moment but will be soon

i been reading alot on this so as far as i can tell, we are okay at the moment as long as you dont update to drm hardware and software that sony puts out along with HP>..these guys are making hardware DRM last but not least do not install windoes media 10 which is loaded with the stuff.. windows media player 9 is okay with drm which gives you a choice. Longhorn which is the new windows will ahve loads of that drm crap.

now that the 64bit market on is is available, are you going to go windows or linux......ill go linux cuz now they offer unreal2004 which makes me happier and can play games on the linux platform..

so.........linux 64bit is the way to go.

ogg files is the way to go if it ever comes to this.
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post Jun 8 2004, 10:44 AM
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sorry i was rambling but i got to get back to my fix
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post Jun 8 2004, 10:49 AM
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Thanks! smile.gif

I'm preparing myself to make the switch to Linux on, or before, that time arives. smile.gif

But... does Linux enforce DRM? Will Linux have "loads of that drm crap" on it too? ...or is Linux commited to OpenSource and Copyright reform?
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padishah_emperor
post Jun 8 2004, 10:56 AM
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The copy protection of SD cards is not supported on the Zaurus, as far as I know the Z sees SD cards like MMC. That's my understanding anyway.
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