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> Zaurus SL-C3000, Officially announced
bastichelaar
post Nov 10 2004, 01:54 PM
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Is there already somebody who has bought the C3000?
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ArchiMark
post Nov 10 2004, 04:16 PM
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I bought mine from Conics bastichelaar 2 weeks ago...but won't be shipping till Nov 11th (or 12th) according to Conics... cool.gif

UPDATE: Got email this morning from Conics...mine's shipped out!!! cool.gif

Mark
Waiting Impatiently for SL-3000
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erio
post Nov 10 2004, 09:47 PM
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http://www.ayati.com/kobako/c3bara.htm

http://tungsten.cc/3000/SL-C3000.html

http://www.occn.zaq.ne.jp/piro/C3000_photo/
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kahm
post Nov 11 2004, 05:41 AM
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Hmm. Not as easy getting at the HD as I hoped it would be. I was looking for a "4 screws and pop the drive out" sort of solution. It looks like it requires about 2 or 3 notches more on the bravery scale.

Now, the big question is has someone tried to swap another CF card in place of the Microdrive?
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post Nov 11 2004, 05:48 AM
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QUOTE(kahm @ Nov 11 2004, 01:41 PM)
Now, the big question is has someone tried to swap another CF card in place of the Microdrive?


It looks like they have done that in one of the pictures.

I have no idea what the text says next to it though! huh.gif
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chayimkirshen
post Nov 11 2004, 06:06 AM
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Since we now know that the drive is the Hitachi 4gb microdrive, I thought I'd provide a link to the drive specs.

http://www.memorysuppliers.com/hi4gbmi4cofl.html

While the data transfer rate is certainly impressive, I'm not really impressed with the battery consumption statistics. It appears that first and foremost this is a drive with moveable parts, hence the power consumed while idle. It makes me wonder just how bad the power will be on the new Z.
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kahm
post Nov 11 2004, 06:19 AM
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QUOTE(uczmeg @ Nov 11 2004, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(kahm @ Nov 11 2004, 01:41 PM)
Now, the big question is has someone tried to swap another CF card in place of the Microdrive?


It looks like they have done that in one of the pictures.

I have no idea what the text says next to it though! huh.gif

Well, I tried the babble-fish translator on my 860.

Of course, it is possible physically that it ???? in CF of the common flash.
When it becomes CF of 4GB, though it is pretty difficult on the amount of money sid

Basically the card fits, but it doesn't look like he tried to power it up like that.

(first post from my Z smile.gif )
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ZeeUser
post Nov 11 2004, 07:29 AM
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My Conics.net SL-C3000 order shipped today! I should receive it in 4-5 days. I will post a mini-review when I have had sufficient time to play, err, test it ;-)


I plan on eventually replacing the 4GB Hitachi Microdrive with a 5GB Seagate drive.
(see this thread)
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post Nov 11 2004, 08:05 AM
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Actualy, it may be not a bad idea to put a traditional CF card of 1-2 Gb in size and use microdrive for external storage. 1-2 Gb of built-in storage would be enough for internal Zaurus memory. Standard flash card will give better power consumption and performance...

I'm pretty sure that after removing Japanese dictioaries, the ROM itself would be much bigger than current ROMs and it will easily fit into 1-2 Gb flash.
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stbrock
post Nov 11 2004, 10:53 AM
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I have been using the Hitachi 4gb microdrive with my C860 and do not notice much difference in battery life between it and a 1gb CF card that I sometimes use. At the end of the day, I still have lots of battery in reserve. I don't doubt that it uses some more power, but nothing like my Socket WLAN card, which is supposed to be one of the lower power cards. Two to three hours of network connection is typical for me with the larger battery.

The problem I find is that some programs insist on checking the entire microdrive for potential data (pdf, mp3, etc) every time they start. Program options to turn off or limit checking, if available, often seem to be broken, even if the rest of the program works fine. While I notice little difference between the microdrive and a CF flash card in regular file operations involving copying large files, accessing many smaller files seems to be much slower on the microdrive. Sometimes, this can get very annoying. With the C860, I can pop the microdrive in and out. That's not a practical option in the C3000.
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vido
post Nov 12 2004, 03:27 PM
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I got my SL-C3000 two days ago, the screen is clearer, the battery seems to last longer (or maybe my old SL-C860 battery was getting old), the browser is, at last, fast enough to browse the web normally.

More important, the included dictionaries are fantastic, that alone justifies to switch from a previous SL-C model.

It seems faster, this may be due to the presence of the microdrive inside. It's "only" a 4 Gb storage, but 4 Gb is plenty of space for this kind of machine.

There was a big drawback, the absence of a Java runtime environment, but it's solved now.

Overall, my impression is that the SL-C3000 is not a revolution compared to the SL-C860, but definitely a positive evolution. I like it. Now I'm waiting for the USB host connectivity to pop up. smile.gif
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post Nov 13 2004, 06:51 AM
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See the C3000 USB Host thread for all the info I've been able to gather on the topic so far.
One thing I am still confused about is the mini-USB connector on the C3000. I've done a bunch of Googling, but I could not find a definite answer as to what type of adapter the C3000 will require to connect to USB devices. I have seen pictures of the USB OTG (On The Go) mini-A and mini-B plugs, but I still cannot tell which one (if either) the C3000 uses. The mini-A plug seems to be the closest match, but not exactly. I hope Sharp used a standard USB plug on the C3000... huh.gif sad.gif

Vido: Can you shed any light on this?
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spartan
post Nov 17 2004, 04:34 PM
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I just ordered a C3000, here's what I got from this forum alone that should answer our questions:

The USB host port on the C3000 isn't On-The-Go; it is a fully function USB 1.1 interface port supported by the PX270 processor onboard. See the specifications for that processor for more details, but basically OTG is a Samsung creation for its ARM-architecture (same as PXA series) processors. From what I understood, OTG is unpowered (except for data pins of course), but still a USB host. Simply put, the port on the C3000 should be the exact same port on the SL-6000.

The cable, therefore, used is discussed in the SL-6000 forums, and the drivers for the SL-6000 should of course work for the C3000. It's a Mini-USB Type A Female, and you need a Mini Type-A Male to Type A (full sized) Female cable. All the details are in the SL-6000 forum. Sorry I can't provide a link (can't find the specific post!) but it's there.

The C3000 shouldn't have a dedicated graphics chip, but those chips never did much except help one program, specifically designed to use them, render movies or the like. If we look at the Toshiba E705 series, which had the chip (Imageon 100), the Toshiba had (as far as I remember) a special $20 VGA-out attachment and a fast video renderer. Aside from that, nothing was gained.
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Bombur
post Nov 17 2004, 06:06 PM
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I am considering a WiFi SD card and a CF bluetooth (Socket) card for a future 3k purchase. However, the last I checked C-Guys hadn't tested their SD WiFi on a 3000 yet. Also, I can't read Japanese so I can't buy on-line. Is there another online supplier of these SD cards? C-Guys are the only manufacturer I have seen so far that have a linux driver.

Has anyone had experience (yet) with these cards in a 3k?

J.
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amrein
post Nov 17 2004, 11:21 PM
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People frigthen by the internal harddrive are the same who where frigthened by internal flash in the Zaurus SL-C7x0/860 models. And all works well.
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