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post Mar 14 2007, 09:30 PM
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As most of your know the 6000L is an odd breed compared to other Zauri, esp the clamshells, where availability and dev activities are high. Hence Tosa ROM version is behind others except for OZ/Angstrom where the key dev. Hrw has the device.

Current Tosa ROM status in the other popular rom is pretty disappointing

PdaXrom: beta1
Cacko: None

I've been whining for a long time without contributing. Part of the reason is that I don't know where should my effort go. I have to admit that I'm not even close to software engineer in trade and pretty inexperienced in the whole thing. But I'm pretty confident in my learning ability to get some Tosa dev going.

For a starter, I'm interested to advance PdaXrom to a stable/usable 2.4 kernel, similar to what Meanie did for pdaXii. (weed out bugs, etc. ) Who else is interested and have time to contribute? We probably need some sort of infrastructure (svn, emaillist, bugtracker, etc.) Could we borrow what's available in the PdaXrom site? Should we get together and form a team?

Btw, anybody interested in a Cacko ROM for Tosa?

I can probably commit half an hour per day for the project after my thesis defense.
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post Apr 10 2007, 10:24 AM
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I agree that there are definite advantages to a Sharp based ROM in the short term. However, thinking in the long term, I'd really like to see those advantages obsoleted, and I'd prefer the long term to be as short as possible. Again, that's probably too idealistic.

Concerning Cacko, I recall a version for tosa being put together with some elements from the Guylhelm ROM somewhere on this forum by DrWowe. I don't know what ever became of that if it ever saw the light of day... but at the very least, that's a proof of concept.

I'd start searching now, but I'm kinda busy. Just wanted to add two more cents.
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post Apr 10 2007, 06:52 PM
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cacko never quite worked right. Guylhem was trying to clean up the linking and put the qte envirenment in a single separate directory. It kinda stalled.
If you could get cacko to live on sd/cf that might be interesting. Otherwise my hacked shaprom looks pretty nice right now--though it'd be a major pain to redo.

My personal view has been that OZ is pretty close, and that most of what is needed is a lil scripting for the wireless. Something that ran detection and piped options even to a ncurses menu would be fine, imho. I think that doing some gui picking and tweaking (ice and xfce come to mind here) would get you a pretty decent setup--especially with altboot to a 4 gig sd. there is still a little bit of a clored line problem, but it isn't the issue that it once was, and is pretty liveable. I guess making sure lall the buttons worked a labeled would be nice, too.

I dunno--- pick a direction and I'll at least comment on it...might even flash my Z and test.
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post Apr 13 2007, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(adf @ Apr 11 2007, 02:52 AM)
cacko never quite worked right. Guylhem was trying to clean up the linking and put the qte envirenment in a single separate directory.  It kinda stalled.

Do you know of a download link for the cacko images?

QUOTE(adf @ Apr 11 2007, 02:52 AM)
  pick a direction and I'll at least comment on it...

Here's my current plan: (suggestions, etc are more than welcome)

1.) Get Angstrom to "Work"

I started a new thread for making angstrom work on tosa.


There are additional links to the mailing lists there. I'll edit this post to include them if I find time. Personally, I prefer this forum to the mailing list format for various reasons.

As for OpenZaurus on tosa, there is already a pinned thread for this:

Open Zaurus on tosa

2.) Get A Newer Version of pdaxrom for Tosa

Still haven't gotten u-boot to load pdaxrom > beta1. Gonna keep trying, but slowly. Inbetween flashes, I'll try getting Angstrom to work, and compiling stuff on pdaxrom beta1.

I started another thread for making pdaxrom work on tosa.

Making pdaxrom work on tosa

3.) Use the temporary bug tracker for pdaxrom beta1 until an updated version works

There have been some efforts to start a bug tracking list for pdaxrom beta1 in the pdaxrom forum, but these mostly get bumped off the first page in that highly active thread. They might serve their purpose better in this tosa specific page.

For now, that link is here:

Temporary pdaxrom 6000 Bug Tracker

4.) Find Source Packages to Build for x11 based Tosa Roms

Still haven't gotten open embedded to work, or found out where the sources are kept. A link to the open zaurus sources would be appreciated. I'd like to try compiling some of the programs for the tosa natively in both open zaurus and pdaxrom. In my opinion, both distributions could benefit a lot from the other, and this can be broken into a lot of small tasks. I'm not going to attempt to list them here. A new thread might be a good idea, but where exactly to put this, I'm not sure.

QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 10 2007, 08:20 AM)
QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 8 2007, 03:06 PM)
I really think we'd need a separate project just to bring tosa to the level where it could share SVN with pdaxrom.  Any chance of someone setting up a bugtracker and mailing list in this regard?

I'm fine with that too. Do you think I should register a project on sourceforge? The potential problem is forking from pdaxrom source tree, which is not desirable. Maybe we should only checkin and maintain Tosa patches with hope to merge back with pdaxrom later.

We can use this thread and the OESF forum to discuss about the plan for as long as necessary.


I don't know about registering a project on sourceforge just to bring tosa up to par. I've never registered a sourceforge project, so I don't know how that would work. I guess for now this forum will work fine as well as the bugtracker mentioned below.

I never really intended on forking the pdaxrom tree, simply building the newer stuff (that hasn't yet been built) specifically for tosa.
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xjqian   Tosa Development Plan   Mar 14 2007, 09:30 PM
gfdsa   QUOTEWe probably need some sort of infrastructure ...   Mar 14 2007, 11:29 PM
adf   my .02 us would be to: work on the pdax kernel (i...   Mar 15 2007, 12:05 AM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Mar 15 2007, 03:05 AM)my .02 us w...   Mar 15 2007, 12:24 AM
adf   that sounds about right. It occurred to me after ...   Mar 15 2007, 11:04 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(xjqian @ Mar 15 2007, 05:30 AM)Who else...   Apr 5 2007, 03:25 PM
adf   Interested? Definitely. Able to port uboot to the ...   Apr 5 2007, 05:01 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 6 2007, 01:01 AM)Interested? ...   Apr 5 2007, 08:13 PM
adf   I think the way softfloat is done on the OZ kernel...   Apr 5 2007, 08:19 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 5 2007, 11:13 PM)...   Apr 7 2007, 01:50 AM
gagware   QUOTE(adf @ Mar 15 2007, 10:05 AM)I take it A...   Apr 1 2007, 02:55 AM
xjqian   QUOTE(gagware @ Apr 1 2007, 05:55 AM)Actually...   Apr 1 2007, 04:19 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 6 2007, 04:19 AM)How hard wou...   Apr 5 2007, 08:52 PM
adf   Yeah-- I kinda hate to mess with mine-- the tetsu/...   Apr 5 2007, 09:47 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 6 2007, 12:47 AM)2.6 OZ/Angst...   Apr 7 2007, 02:03 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 7 2007, 10:03 AM)QUOTE(adf...   Apr 7 2007, 11:16 AM
adf   Maybe we should have a look at what HRW does with ...   Apr 7 2007, 11:18 AM
speculatrix   one thing I'd like to see is unionfs support b...   Apr 6 2007, 01:12 AM
adf   QUOTE(speculatrix @ Apr 6 2007, 09:12 AM)one ...   Apr 6 2007, 07:01 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 7 2007, 02:18 PM)Maybe we sho...   Apr 7 2007, 07:13 PM
koen   QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 8 2007, 03:13 AM)OZ people...   Apr 8 2007, 07:14 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(koen @ Apr 8 2007, 04:14 PM)And talking...   Apr 8 2007, 02:17 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(xjqian @ Apr 8 2007, 03:13 AM)I'm f...   Apr 8 2007, 12:06 PM
adf   So what we are really looking at is either a tidie...   Apr 8 2007, 12:18 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 8 2007, 08:18 PM)So what we a...   Apr 8 2007, 12:31 PM
radiochickenwax   An update: U -boot seems to flash properly on the...   Apr 8 2007, 01:40 PM
adf   I can agree to a distro...any distro. The thing i...   Apr 8 2007, 03:09 PM
xjqian   QUOTE(koen @ Apr 8 2007, 10:14 AM)That's ...   Apr 10 2007, 12:20 AM
radiochickenwax   I agree that there are definite advantages to a Sh...   Apr 10 2007, 10:24 AM
adf   cacko never quite worked right. Guylhem was trying...   Apr 10 2007, 06:52 PM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 11 2007, 02:52 AM)cacko never...   Apr 13 2007, 03:29 PM
adf   Angstrom sounds hopeful, at least. I haven't ...   Apr 13 2007, 07:11 PM
Hrw   Ok. Let me write few words. Yes, I have a tosa he...   Apr 20 2007, 05:52 AM
adf   I've flashed to Angstrom- it seems to work. ne...   Apr 20 2007, 04:11 PM
Hrw   QUOTE(adf @ Apr 21 2007, 02:11 AM)edit: I ten...   Apr 20 2007, 11:03 PM
radiochickenwax   Here are some funny links related to this thread: ...   Apr 20 2007, 07:25 PM
koen   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 21 2007, 03:25 AM...   Apr 20 2007, 08:21 PM
Meanie   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 21 2007, 01:25 PM...   Apr 22 2007, 12:31 AM
radiochickenwax   QUOTE(Meanie @ Apr 22 2007, 08:31 AM)Alternat...   Apr 22 2007, 02:48 PM
adf   that could be very interesting   Apr 22 2007, 08:45 PM
radiochickenwax   Yeah, I've been wanting to do something like t...   Apr 23 2007, 04:01 PM
adf   QUOTE(radiochickenwax @ Apr 24 2007, 12:01 AM...   Apr 23 2007, 07:25 PM
radiochickenwax   This sorta reminds me of the etched marble experim...   Apr 24 2007, 10:19 AM

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