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post Jul 27 2006, 07:57 PM
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Well we finally have our own fourm for discussion and i intend to break up the monolithic highly technical posts in to as many smally highly technical post as i can wink.gif

Anyway here is where we will keep an updated list of whats in the pocket penguine as well as a place for FAQs about the project

Q: What is it:
A: This is our attempt to build our own PDA to our own standards. allowing us complete control over the hardware in an attempt to build a totally open PDA platform [/artistic babble]

Q: What is in it:
A: as best summed up by ferret simpson:
CPU: Freescale iMX30 - 533mhz ARM11
RPU: Freescale MXC300-30 3G ARM11 with StarCore DSP. 533mhz.
RChipset: Freescale RFX300-20 3G Radio Platform.

RAM: 2Gb (512MB) Laptop DDR266 Memory in 2x1Gb chips.
HDD: Internal ATA CF/MD interface, User provided Card
SD: 2x 4bit SD slot, SDIO capable with 3rd Party Commercial stack.
NAND: 16MB RO for Bootloader only. Will kExec any Kernel from a variety of Media.

RFlash/Mem: Indeterminate NAND and SDRAM. (16Mb Flash 128MB ram minimum)

Wifi: Zydas ZD1211 chip on CF16: 802.11G-54, WPA.
BT: Unknown Bluetooth V2.0 on USB-1.1
Rad: RPU connected over SPI, Audio, and USB480
IRDA: Fir?

Keyb: Internal Backlit KBD,
Mous: Internal Trackball with "Select" function and illumination,
DPAD: Internal with OK/Canc.
Roll: On Landscape Rear.
L/R On Landscape Rear
ACC: 3D Accelerometer.
BIO: swipe-bar Fingerprint scanner on SPI.

AUD: 5.1 with Microphone, and BlueTooth routing.
MSC: 3.5-4 inch, VGA, with integrated Resistive Touch Layer.
SSC: 4bit Serial on rear of device, for Phone display and viewfinder for Camera shots.
CAM: On main screen panel, above TFT in portrait mode. Supports Video and Stills.

CPLD to act as Programmable ASIC for SPI interconnection to devices.
Possible MicroProcessor to control Buttons and roller for use with phone when PDA disabled.
External full-size 480MBPS USB2 port.
Video out, Possibly 768i HDTV compatible, will be used for connection to external monitor.
Socket for network operator SIM card.

Key-signing of OS to prevent Unauthorised OS replacement.
Possible GSM trace functions including local MAC addresses and signal tower strengths.
Biometric identification of allowed users.

1800mAh Battery: Easily available Digital Videocam model.
Customised Aluminium case.

Q: Whos working on it (offically)
A: Da_Blitz (post to be added to the list)

Q: I have very few technical skills but want to help, how can i do so
A: Poke fun at our ideas as well as come up with some of your own, we intend to inovate with this platform as we dont really care about profits so we can chuck nearly anything we want in it.

If you want to help us futher than help contribute to the wiki (see Da_Blitz's tag) or start reading the chip documentation, you dont have to know electronics to understand the chips (it helps) a basic knowlge of how computers work is fine

Q: I have a highly technical background in electronics/kernel hacking how can i help
A: Introduce yourself and have a look at what we need done, i will try and maintain a list of what needs to be done but dont count on its reliability (check first). we will need driver writers and people with a background in security (i have a side project or two we will need for this thing)

if you have experince with mobile phones or GSM stacks please get in contact with us as we could really use someone in that area for writing a bit of firmware

Q: will this cost less than my car? what are you wildly estimating to be the shipping cost (with the understanding that if you answer this this early you won't be held to the figure-- looking at the specs, I'm thinking I might have to save a few pennies..)
A: We are aiming for the price of a c3x00 when fully loaded (ie full ram and storage) shipping should be included in that cost whoever we dont expect shipping costs to play a big part in the final price

Q: when do you expect to finalize the design and begin production?
A: as soon as posible, current goal is no latter than the end of 2006 but dont hold us to that smile.gif

Q: what standard os is it shipping with? I'm guessing something built on OE?
A: Inital efforts will be focused on linux. at this point we may not ship with an OS on board as all you willl have to do to load an OS is use gpg to sign a binary and copy that binary to a CF/SD card for it to boot. therefore we may ship with several options on CD that a user may chose from and load to a CF/SD card to try out in a LiveCD fassion

Q: the screen description is vague. Still looking for parts? I would hope to see the 4" transfective from the zaurus 6000, or or better... mostly, outdoor light capability would be nice.
A: Yes we are still looking for parts or more to be more presice suppliers, at the moment we are aiming for 640x480 4" transreflective

Q: Whats the holdup on starting the design rather than talking about it
A: Before we can really design this thing we have to know which chips we are using in the final design, some of the critical things that we need to know what we are using are the screen, Wifi, RPU (radio processing unit) and keyboard.
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post Jan 29 2007, 05:20 PM
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- Hard to argue with stampsm, but I'd like one full-size slot as well, unless we can get three or four micros and do that Raid thing. (wolfish grin) I think I prolly want a full 'cause they go to 4Gb, and with SDIO there are non-memory peripherals available for it. Not that I own any, mind you, because the Z uses CF for this, but the PP won't have CF. Seems like a nice thing to have, though.
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Da_Blitz   Intro & Faq   Jul 27 2006, 07:57 PM
adf   quettion 1: will this cost less than my car? what ...   Jul 27 2006, 10:10 PM
Da_Blitz   Updated FAQ   Jul 27 2006, 11:51 PM
adf   I meant cost, shipped as described, sorry. approx...   Jul 28 2006, 12:57 AM
Ferret-Simpson   RPU? I thought we'd settled on the Freescale M...   Jul 28 2006, 12:57 AM
Da_Blitz   i used RPU because i was under the impresion that ...   Jul 28 2006, 03:14 AM
koen   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jul 28 2006, 11:14 AM)i used...   Jul 28 2006, 03:48 AM
Ferret-Simpson   I know that RPU is the MXC, since I DID write it, ...   Jul 28 2006, 06:07 AM
koen   QUOTE(Ferret-Simpson @ Jul 28 2006, 02:0...   Jul 28 2006, 06:16 AM
Ferret-Simpson   Hmmm. . . None of the Motorola phones uses Motoro...   Jul 28 2006, 07:38 AM
Da_Blitz   very intresting, do you have any more info on the ...   Jul 29 2006, 08:02 AM
Ferret-Simpson   Not yet, that's all I've seen so far. I...   Jul 29 2006, 09:07 AM
koen   QUOTE(Ferret-Simpson @ Jul 29 2006, 05:0...   Jul 29 2006, 09:52 AM
Ferret-Simpson   I didn't know they manufactured them. Still, I...   Jul 29 2006, 10:36 AM
Da_Blitz   they do use ISS but have apache cache servers that...   Jul 30 2006, 07:06 PM
Ferret-Simpson   KK, well back on topic: We should set a definate d...   Jul 31 2006, 02:26 AM
Da_Blitz   mmm, if you had read the link for the pcb people i...   Jul 31 2006, 10:55 PM
adf   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Aug 1 2006, 06:55 AM)mmm, if...   Aug 1 2006, 03:32 AM
Ferret-Simpson   heh, The point of this is that we'll be buying...   Aug 1 2006, 05:01 AM
Da_Blitz   hopefully there wont be a second prototype, howeve...   Aug 2 2006, 03:01 AM
INTERROBANG   Security: Key-signing of OS to prevent Unauthorise...   Sep 3 2006, 08:19 PM
Da_Blitz   i would take a guess and say "yes you are...   Sep 6 2006, 03:43 AM
Ferret-Simpson   I can see about 20 problems with the keyboard, But...   Sep 8 2006, 04:29 PM
Da_Blitz   that brings up an intresting point, out of the box...   Sep 8 2006, 10:01 PM
Ferret-Simpson   Ok, the project seems to have ground completely to...   Jan 6 2007, 07:02 AM
Da_Blitz   well its basically about chipsets, i know most of ...   Jan 6 2007, 04:41 PM
Dromede   maybe it would be a good idea to make two versions...   Jan 9 2007, 09:42 AM
Da_Blitz   yes i would agree with you but i am still of the m...   Jan 9 2007, 02:44 PM
Dromede   sharing antennas? does that mean that it isnt poss...   Jan 9 2007, 11:13 PM
Da_Blitz   all an antenna is is a peice of wire, for maximum ...   Jan 10 2007, 05:48 AM
daniel3000   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jul 28 2006, 05:57 AM)Q: whe...   Jan 15 2007, 06:56 AM
Da_Blitz   well in an ideal world an OSS company would sponse...   Jan 15 2007, 09:23 PM
adf   good luck!   Jan 15 2007, 11:21 PM
Ragnorok   - Is the first post in this thread accruate wrt to...   Jan 26 2007, 08:43 PM
Da_Blitz   fairly, things change and i drop some things i con...   Jan 27 2007, 06:58 AM
stampsm   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 27 2007, 06:58 AM)fairly...   Jan 27 2007, 12:46 PM
Da_Blitz   i like it because it futre proofs it   Jan 27 2007, 10:32 PM
Ragnorok   - Hard to argue with stampsm, but I'd like one...   Jan 29 2007, 05:20 PM
stampsm   QUOTE(Ragnorok @ Jan 29 2007, 05:20 PM)- Hard...   Jan 30 2007, 05:46 PM
Da_Blitz   the huge flash on the iphone is tempting but its s...   Jan 29 2007, 06:37 PM
stampsm   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 29 2007, 06:37 PM)the hu...   Jan 30 2007, 05:43 PM
Da_Blitz   i think you misunderstand pgp encryption. it only ...   Jan 30 2007, 06:14 PM
stampsm   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Jan 30 2007, 06:14 PM)i thin...   Jan 30 2007, 11:22 PM
stampsm   well since SD has only 9 pins it would not be to h...   Jan 30 2007, 11:17 PM
Da_Blitz   yep its the whole verify the kernel and initrd thi...   Feb 1 2007, 12:13 AM
zeigerpuppy   One vote for CF, it's great to have the periph...   Feb 9 2007, 05:52 AM
Da_Blitz   actually i am pushing for ethier ethernet on board...   Feb 10 2007, 05:41 PM
adf   been skipping posts--just read the last two. imho...   Feb 10 2007, 09:23 PM
Ragnorok   - I think if CF is in it should be external, parti...   Feb 11 2007, 08:17 AM
speculatrix   there is a CF audio card, discussed in another for...   Feb 11 2007, 08:51 AM
Da_Blitz   well there are always usb to ethernet adaptors, an...   Feb 11 2007, 08:27 PM
cal   How thin can this hardware be made? The thickness...   Feb 19 2007, 04:36 AM
Da_Blitz   well it wont be "razar" thin, i hate tha...   Feb 19 2007, 11:13 PM
LordVan   I want one of those (even if it's not in a cas...   Mar 13 2007, 04:26 AM
Da_Blitz   yeah there is actually, it will be beta but basica...   Mar 14 2007, 03:20 AM
Ragnorok   - Your OpenPDA link says "FORBIDDEN" on ...   Apr 5 2007, 02:20 PM
Da_Blitz   i dont think a full sized ethernet port is a good ...   Apr 9 2007, 02:59 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Apr 9 2007, 11:59 AM)i dont ...   Apr 12 2007, 12:59 AM
Ragnorok   - Unfortunate, the poor Ethernet. It's no lar...   Apr 11 2007, 05:59 PM
Da_Blitz   actually you might want to know there is an actual...   Apr 12 2007, 02:40 AM
Ragnorok   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ Apr 12 2007, 10:40 AM)actual...   May 19 2007, 07:39 AM
speculatrix   giga ether full duplex is going to be somewhat fas...   Apr 12 2007, 02:57 AM
Da_Blitz   true but my point is why stick with 100mbps when y...   Apr 12 2007, 05:06 AM
ZTwinsen   Hi everyone, As u seen, I am new in here. When I ...   May 12 2007, 01:06 AM
Da_Blitz   thans for your usage case, you have no idea how ha...   May 14 2007, 03:17 AM
Da_Blitz   all good points however the one that kill it for m...   May 20 2007, 09:06 AM
charlie   Much as I love reading about this potential device...   May 20 2007, 11:28 AM
Da_Blitz   i wish i wolud staop hearing about it and had a fi...   May 20 2007, 11:09 PM
Ragnorok   - I'm not advocating using gigabit. I'm a...   May 21 2007, 10:11 AM
speculatrix   I agree with Ragnarok. If the hardware exists and ...   May 21 2007, 02:06 PM
Da_Blitz   QUOTEp.s. I think if you got a part working board ...   May 22 2007, 01:26 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ May 22 2007, 10:26 AM)QUOTEp...   May 22 2007, 02:00 AM
Da_Blitz   keyboard was gioing to use the dedicated keyboard ...   May 24 2007, 01:42 AM
speculatrix   QUOTE(Da_Blitz @ May 24 2007, 10:42 AM)keyboa...   May 24 2007, 12:34 PM
Ragnorok   QUOTEconnect to a backplane - What backplane would...   May 24 2007, 12:22 PM
Da_Blitz   using the keyboard scaning logic makes it eaiser t...   May 25 2007, 12:57 AM
Ragnorok   - "Cluster in a box" sounds nice, but th...   Jun 13 2007, 04:43 PM
Da_Blitz   you would get a pcb with a cpu and 64MB of ram, ra...   Jun 13 2007, 10:07 PM
Ragnorok   - Cool. What about keyboard emulation and such? ...   Jun 14 2007, 05:05 PM
Da_Blitz   I am concentrating on the blades more, they are th...   Jun 15 2007, 03:58 AM
Ragnorok   QUOTEdevice comming out that would match my needs ...   Jun 28 2007, 12:01 PM
Da_Blitz   spartan 3 is a xilinx fpga, has small caches of ra...   Jun 29 2007, 04:51 AM
Ragnorok   - I hear ya. I finally lost Hiroshi and ordered a...   Jan 29 2010, 02:54 PM

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